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Old 16th March 2011, 06:29 PM   #1
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Default Keris for comment, and dapur request. Keris madura lok 11, dapur carita Kaprabon?

Hi all, her some photo's of a Keris madura(?), lok 11. I cant figure out what dapur it is. All ricikan i see are... 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, Jalen, Sraweyan, Sogokan, Greneng( not sure, worn off), Pijetan, Gusen.





Anny ideas are welcome, so are comments in general.

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Old 18th March 2011, 01:02 AM   #2
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Hullo Ab,

In the absence of other input so far, here is my twee-duit's worth:
It's very difficult to determine the dapur from photos ( It also depends on which protocol you follow).
However, from what you say and looking at the photos, perhaps you may wish to look at the following: Sabuk Inten, Carita, Carita Kalentang.

Hope it helps,

mvg.

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Old 18th March 2011, 02:32 AM   #3
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I am not sure how this keris is attributed to madura.

From the photos, it looks like Mataraman (Senopaten style).
Dapur could be Charita Keprabhon or the ones Amuk Murugul suggested.
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Old 18th March 2011, 06:08 AM   #4
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There are a couple of problems with this keris, firstly we cannot see if it had greneng or not.

If it had greneng it is either Carita Prasaja, or Carita Keprabon ( Pakem Surakarta)

If it did not have greneng it is diluar pakem according to the Surakarta Pakem --- but it could well have an assigned dhapur according to a different pakem.

The other problem is the blumbangan:- this is boto adeg

A Mataram keris has a square blumbangan, not one like a brick standing on end.

Majapahit has boto adeg, so does Surakarta, and Banten may or may not have boto adeg.

This is definitely not a Madura keris --- but it does have a nice Madura hilt.

Frankly, I'm not prepared to give an opinion on what classification this keris might be, but based upon what I can see I am quite prepared to say what it cannot be, and it cannot be Madura.
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Old 20th March 2011, 08:53 PM   #5
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Gentlemen,
Thank you all for input. If i can be in help to post more photo's or phot of a special detail, please let me now.

I named het Keris Madura Dua to the Hilt and Mendak combination, the sarung could be Solo, or other Jawa.. I dont think it's Madura, since i dont know a Madura Waranka like it. Anny extra input and info appriciated.

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