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1st September 2024, 01:39 AM | #1 |
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Need advice on this keris I got from eBay
I’m trying to understand the pamor. Looks pretty interesting. Almost like a coiling snake but can’t really tell. Appreciate your thoughts. Btw, good to be back to this group after awhile.
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1st September 2024, 01:53 AM | #2 |
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It seems that the ganja of this Madura Kris may has been rusted through.
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1st September 2024, 07:28 AM | #3 |
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A picture of the entire keris and it's scabbard please.
Otherwise, we're just wasting time. |
1st September 2024, 08:11 AM | #4 |
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hard to see, looks like Lam Alip
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1st September 2024, 09:35 AM | #5 |
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the kris certainly needs to be undergoing a cleaning and then , ideally, a staining to reveal its completely pamor .
The coiled shape in that area isn't uncommon but it may be incorporated in different pamors You also appear to have a fractured ganja which is something that may give you some problems if and when you decide to clean and stain as it , most probably, will come off. The hilt appears to be modernly made in the Madurese stile while the sarong appears to have been made to look like a Balinese-ish sarong but it is not. The blade appears to be dhapur Tilam Upih (?) which is not uncommon in Madura. |
1st September 2024, 01:11 PM | #6 |
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There are a number of ways that the gonjo of a keris is kept in place, one of those ways is to cut a tiny keyway into the gonjo hole, and drive a pin home into that keyway to hold the gonjo in place. If the gonjo has a weakness at the point where it surrounds the pesi, the tension created by the key will often cause a fracture in the gonjo. This flaw can be repaired by resetting the gonjo over the pesi with plastic steel.
In Jawa & other parts of Indonesia we just make a new gonjo. This is not a big job, but it can be tedious and in my experience most people living outside keris bearing societies are unwilling or unable to attempt it. The wrongko is a typical low level East Jawa/Madura gayaman. I'm uncertain about the correct name to apply to the hilt, there are a couple of choices & I have heard both applied to this form, in the absence of certainty I'd sooner not guess. The manipulated piece of pamor in the sorsoran does look as if an attempt at lam alif(p) has been made, as Sirek has mentioned. Dhapur is brojol ( no tikel alis). It is a nice example of an "every man's" keris. It would benefit from the fitting of a suitable mendak. |
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