A barong for good price - had to grab it!

[KuKulzA28]

So I decided that I was going to take a break from antiques weapons because of the cost. But, a good deal came along and I decided to temporarily break the hiatus with a quick purchase.

This barong, not sure what island, but I am going to guess Sulu... has a sheath that's starting to split ventrally, has a chipped area near the mouth, the area under the ferrule is beginning to disintegrate, and there may have been more to the kakatua at one point but I believe it was meant to be small and abbreviated... I feel like it was recently made (despite having a very nice and comfortable handle) because the sheath is very plain (though the wood seems good) and the steel... the steel seems to be not very old, not laminated, roughly polished, and without a very good distal taper... After some repair to the area under the ferrule perhaps this will be a very sturdy barong, one I wouldn't hesitate to use given the "not-so-pretty" blade.

My guts tell me its a newer piece, maybe 20th century, but not necessarily for tourists... still, being a novice, I have a good chance of being wrong.

Thoughts?

[Battara]

I agree with you in that it is a newer 20 century piece. I might also say Samal, but the scabbard looks unfinished. I also agree that the pommel was made to be small like this and is complete for the most part. It is definitely a fighter.

[ThePepperSkull]

Nice find, Vin! You know I love me some recently-made blades and this one looks great to me. That hilt in particular is wonderful. Samal and Yakan barung always have the most interesting hilts/pommels. Where'dja get it? fleabay?

How thick is the blade at the base?

I really should post mine as well (Got an old kris for a great price. heavy heavy pitting, but gorgeous piece. I have to say not as nice as this barung though.)

[KuKulzA28]

Originally Posted by Battara

I agree with you in that it is a newer 20 century piece. I might also say Samal, but the scabbard looks unfinished. I also agree that the pommel was made to be small like this and is complete for the most part. It is definitely a fighter.

A fighter eh? That's what I think too, feels like it...

is there anything very distinct about Samal sheaths that make it clearer if it was Samal or not?

Also, on the topic of Samal... is the right way to describe a Samal person or thing: Samalese? Samali? Samalano?
Or is it just Samal? I mean I've seen Bugis as simply Bugis or sometimes Buginese...
but other ethnicities are called Samarano or Cebuano etc.

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

Nice find, Vin! You know I love me some recently-made blades and this one looks great to me. That hilt in particular is wonderful. Samal and Yakan barung always have the most interesting hilts/pommels. Where'dja get it? fleabay?

How thick is the blade at the base?

I really should post mine as well (Got an old kris for a great price. heavy heavy pitting, but gorgeous piece. I have to say not as nice as this barung though.)

Yea, what attracted me most at first was the hilt... and yeah the 'bay...

It's just shy of 1/4" thick at the base, so about 0.6 cm.
Feels real nice in hand, makes me wanna cleave something.

I look forward to seeing the kris, post it up when you have the time!

[Battara]

"Samal" - well, I use and have seen Samal for the tribe and person.

Now for the scabbard - it is usually the type of detailed carving and okir used on that carving on top and bottom. What makes this difficult is that the scabbard outlines look similar from Samal and late 20th century Sulu. So I also look at the pommel with is usually shorter in dimensions with an almost 90 degree angle versus the usual 45 degree angle for Sulu hilts. Again this gets confusing for 20th century examples that seem to take on Samal characteristics.

Ok I just made it clear as mud. Sorry.

[Battara]

Here is a better explanation:

The barong on the left is Sulu and the pommel is near a 45 degree angle to the blade.

The barong on the right is Samal with the pommel closer to a 90 degree angle to the blade. Also I carved this scabbard in earlier Samal style with intricate okir.

[ThePepperSkull]

Originally Posted by Battara

Now for the scabbard - it is usually the type of detailed carving and okir used on that carving on top and bottom. What makes this difficult is that the scabbard outlines look similar from Samal and late 20th century Sulu. So I also look at the pommel with is usually shorter in dimensions with an almost 90 degree angle versus the usual 45 degree angle for Sulu hilts. Again this gets confusing for 20th century examples that seem to take on Samal characteristics.

Ok I just made it clear as mud. Sorry.

Actually this did make things a lot clearer for me, despite it still being confusing -- this is the nature of 'later' Moro Swords I guess.

Moro blade/hilt characteristics do tend to get melded together and are harder to differentiate from one specific origin to the next if we're talking about linking particular tribes to region-specific weaponry. I thought I was the only one that thought this, so to know I'm not the only one that finds that fact confusing is rather comforting I must say.


Also, the description regarding the pommel helps a lot. I notice this hilt also has wrapping on it as well as a punto. Would the style of wrap be any indicator of the origin? (i.e. did the Samal twine/vine-wrap their hilts in different patterns than the Yakan or the Tausug?) Would material coe into play as well (perhaps one tribe preferred rattan strips versus some type of twine wrap or something to that effect)?