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Hi all
in spirit of sharing knowledge, here it is another keris of mine. This keris is simple. What makes it nice is the pamor I believe this dhapur is known as Jalak Ngore (CMIIW), and this one is not stained properly due to poor storage before this one has "Unthuk Banyu / Unthuk Segara" pamor Unthuk banyu means = froth / foam of water / sea water it is believed this pamor will help in terms of relationship with others this pamor is unique, apart from it is rarely seen, this kind of pamor along with time and maintenance, the different metal will corrode differently, and producing saw-like edges (can be seen in the pictures) the "wood" powder you see in the pictures is sandalwood powder about the age ... say this one has been someone's family heirloom for 30 years, so at least it is 30 years old first, I have to borrow one pictures of friend of mine in Indonesian forum about similar keris, but thought to be made in 18th century, courtesy of Mr. Hidayat - so comparison can be made pardon my pics as I took it using iphone enjoy!! regards Donny |
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Fascinating pamor. Is the this recently made stuff?
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Looks like two different pamors to me, first one looks like balls of string ; yes, the second example's style has been done in recent times .
Both are not unknown in newer keris . |
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newly made (kamardikan) in terms of keris could mean somewhere between 0 - 67 years Quote:
you mean that the pamor, which like )))((( is the 1st pamor and the spine consists of another ?? if so, what pamor do you think this keris is ?? Quote:
and according to couple friend of mine, my keris above still categorised as unthuk banyu pamor but I am agree that there are differences between both blades. Therefore, what pamor do you think it is ?? here's more pics and also a page from my book explaining about pamor unthuk banyu ![]() |
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As to what pamor to call Mr. Hidayat's keris, i couldn't really say. Personally i don't spend too much time trying to figure out pamor names since they tend to sometimes change from era to era, region to region and even village to village. ![]() |
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but in light of education, I personally tend to use familiar terms in books rather than following local dialects now this is another keris, which comes with the jalak keris and definitely kamardikan (according to me) any comment is welcome |
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From a bladesmith's point of view those two different pamor are quite wonderful. The first one is more difficult to forge than the second.
Well worth stealing those for my own work. Thank you for posting them. Ric |
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Hard to say solely from photos of Mr. Hidayat's example. Lovely current era dress, but i am afraid i don't know how to spot a well made and expertly aged modern piece from the real thing strictly from a couple of photos. While complex pamors of this sort are known to have existed in older blades, well preserved examples such as this are few and far between. It (Mr. Hidayat's) is a beautiful keris regardless. ![]() ![]() |
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continuing the story ...
this particular keris comes in pair ... there's another one in different dhapur but with the same types of pamor when I bought it perhaps the previous owner needs popularity so bad as this type of pamor is believed to boost in relationships and popularity ![]() pictures will be posted, soon |
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