Luk 1 or 3

Newsteel · 12th September 2008, 05:28 AM

Hi Keris fanatics...

Damar murub, a name of keris dapur normally found in central to eastern Java until Bali. However, rarely we get to see this type of keris. In books, written that this dapur is of Luk 3 and some mention to be Luk 1. How and when can we tell if it is Luk 1 or 3. And why?

Below are 2 examples of dapur Damur Murub I've seen. One with a straight body and luk at the tip, and the other has slightly curve body follow by the luk.

Marcokeris · 12th September 2008, 07:09 AM

I know that Damar Murub is a 3 luks dapur on the top of the blade (the same of your pics).There are also two other similar three luks but they are in the middle of the blade or at the beginning of the blade... but i don't remember these dapur names.

Rick · 12th September 2008, 06:22 PM

One luk ?
The curve is extreme in this blade .

When does a sepokal type form become one luk ?

semar · 13th September 2008, 09:15 AM

hallo marcokeris you mean this type of three loek

regarts semar

A. G. Maisey · 14th September 2008, 03:18 PM

The Surakarta Karaton Pakem does not list Luk Satu.

You've got straight keris, then you go to three waves.

There is no luk satu keris. In fact, its simply not possible.

You count the waves of a keris by starting with the blade pointing up and the gandik to your left, the dip immediately above the gandik is counted as luk # 1. You move from side to side across the blade as you count and you must finish with an uneven number. There is no choice:- the keris is a symbol of the male, uneven numbers are male numbers, all keris must have an uneven number of luk.

Yes, I know somebody out there has a keris where the tip of the blade veers off to the right, and they think they can count this as an even number of luk.

Wrong.

You need to add one to the count to make it uneven.

The male is not associated with female numbers, and the keris is male.

David · 14th September 2008, 05:04 PM

Hi Alan. I am in full agreement with your statements, but i also wonder how you count on a blade like Semar's in the post just above yours. I have always understood that the counting of luks precedes upward towards the tip. To count Semar's keris as luk 3 seems to require that we move downward from the first count. So is this seen as a lurus blade with an unusal bend?

12th September 2008, 05:28 AM	#1
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Luk 1 or 3 Hi Keris fanatics... Damar murub, a name of keris dapur normally found in central to eastern Java until Bali. However, rarely we get to see this type of keris. In books, written that this dapur is of Luk 3 and some mention to be Luk 1. How and when can we tell if it is Luk 1 or 3. And why? Below are 2 examples of dapur Damur Murub I've seen. One with a straight body and luk at the tip, and the other has slightly curve body follow by the luk. Attached Images Last edited by Newsteel; 12th September 2008 at 05:50 AM.

12th September 2008, 06:22 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	One luk ? The curve is extreme in this blade . When does a sepokal type form become one luk ? Attached Images

13th September 2008, 09:15 AM	#4
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	3 loek hallo marcokeris you mean this type of three loek regarts semar Attached Images

12th September 2008, 07:09 AM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	I know that Damar Murub is a 3 luks dapur on the top of the blade (the same of your pics).There are also two other similar three luks but they are in the middle of the blade or at the beginning of the blade... but i don't remember these dapur names.

14th September 2008, 03:18 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,894	The Surakarta Karaton Pakem does not list Luk Satu. You've got straight keris, then you go to three waves. There is no luk satu keris. In fact, its simply not possible. You count the waves of a keris by starting with the blade pointing up and the gandik to your left, the dip immediately above the gandik is counted as luk # 1. You move from side to side across the blade as you count and you must finish with an uneven number. There is no choice:- the keris is a symbol of the male, uneven numbers are male numbers, all keris must have an uneven number of luk. Yes, I know somebody out there has a keris where the tip of the blade veers off to the right, and they think they can count this as an even number of luk. Wrong. You need to add one to the count to make it uneven. The male is not associated with female numbers, and the keris is male.

14th September 2008, 05:04 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	Hi Alan. I am in full agreement with your statements, but i also wonder how you count on a blade like Semar's in the post just above yours. I have always understood that the counting of luks precedes upward towards the tip. To count Semar's keris as luk 3 seems to require that we move downward from the first count. So is this seen as a lurus blade with an unusal bend?