Ivory Tulip Kris

Bill · 16th December 2005, 03:12 PM

This just closed http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 , any comments? My guess is that this is post 1960 and Maranao. Doubt kris like this were been made for Western sales, certainly not your souvenir grade. Seems simular pieces are available from time to time of the same quality and style.

Rick · 16th December 2005, 03:53 PM

Someone got a nice piece for a reasonable price .
I think the blade is older than the dress .

Spunjer · 16th December 2005, 04:16 PM

agree with bill.

what i do notice is, krises that are still in the philippines are easily recognizable. i realized most, if not all, are redressed. to me, it has a certain appearance. perfect example would be the ivory hilt, which tend to be yellowish, compared to the ivory hilt that is on the kris that was brought here by the american soldiers. case in point are the the one that just came off ebay, and battara's example. another tell tale sign is the similarity of the grip. a lot has those disk-like stuff, or okirred metal panels. as for the scabbards, the 'datu-class', kris has similar stylized boat style cross piece... these krises were the same, from ermita to davao...

now, with that said, say these kris were redressed and it did indeed had an old blade, would that still be as valuable as a piece that has a 90% or more original parts, but less impressive?

Lew · 16th December 2005, 04:58 PM

What I find interesting is that the ganya seems to be two separate pieces which indicates an older blade but the luks are pointed which to me says it's of more recent manufacture

Lew

Bill · 16th December 2005, 05:09 PM

Lew, I'm sure the guard is one piece and I agree that the "angles" of the luks show post 1960 work. I also think it's a nicely made hand forged blade. The file work on the top side is nothing to brag about, but I like the blade. If this is a 21C blade, I'm impressed. Anyone from the PI have a better date for the work?

Rick · 16th December 2005, 05:11 PM

Yeah , I was wondering about that too . If you look closely at the downward gangya line where it terminates in the greneng there's something a little fishy .
It could be a really well cut false gangya line .
It's also a little bit stubby at 19 1/2" blade length .

nechesh · 17th December 2005, 12:33 AM

I'm with Bill here. I think this is almost certainly a newer blade with a false cut gangya. It looks like a well made blade though.
As for new replacement parts i have no problem as long as they are well done and not done to deceive. I have noticed a furry recently of ivory kakatu hilts that all have this perfectly even coffee colored patina that i am almost certain is dye. They are often put on old mediocre to poor blades with the intention of convincing some poor sap that they are buying a datu kris. That bothers me. But being mainly a collector of Indo keris i have become very accustom to replacement parts as it is part of the tradition. Still, even there you sometimes see upscale dress on poor blades meant to increase their saleability. I have often seen this on Bali keris that are dressed up in jewel encrusted gold hilts and pushed as royal blades.

16th December 2005, 03:12 PM	#1
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Ivory Tulip Kris This just closed http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 , any comments? My guess is that this is post 1960 and Maranao. Doubt kris like this were been made for Western sales, certainly not your souvenir grade. Seems simular pieces are available from time to time of the same quality and style.

16th December 2005, 03:53 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,289	Someone got a nice piece for a reasonable price . I think the blade is older than the dress .

16th December 2005, 04:16 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	agree with bill. what i do notice is, krises that are still in the philippines are easily recognizable. i realized most, if not all, are redressed. to me, it has a certain appearance. perfect example would be the ivory hilt, which tend to be yellowish, compared to the ivory hilt that is on the kris that was brought here by the american soldiers. case in point are the the one that just came off ebay, and battara's example. another tell tale sign is the similarity of the grip. a lot has those disk-like stuff, or okirred metal panels. as for the scabbards, the 'datu-class', kris has similar stylized boat style cross piece... these krises were the same, from ermita to davao... now, with that said, say these kris were redressed and it did indeed had an old blade, would that still be as valuable as a piece that has a 90% or more original parts, but less impressive?

16th December 2005, 04:58 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	What I find interesting is that the ganya seems to be two separate pieces which indicates an older blade but the luks are pointed which to me says it's of more recent manufacture Lew

16th December 2005, 05:09 PM	#5
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Lew, I'm sure the guard is one piece and I agree that the "angles" of the luks show post 1960 work. I also think it's a nicely made hand forged blade. The file work on the top side is nothing to brag about, but I like the blade. If this is a 21C blade, I'm impressed. Anyone from the PI have a better date for the work?

16th December 2005, 05:11 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,289	Yeah , I was wondering about that too . If you look closely at the downward gangya line where it terminates in the greneng there's something a little fishy . It could be a really well cut false gangya line . It's also a little bit stubby at 19 1/2" blade length .

17th December 2005, 12:33 AM	#7
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I'm with Bill here. I think this is almost certainly a newer blade with a false cut gangya. It looks like a well made blade though. As for new replacement parts i have no problem as long as they are well done and not done to deceive. I have noticed a furry recently of ivory kakatu hilts that all have this perfectly even coffee colored patina that i am almost certain is dye. They are often put on old mediocre to poor blades with the intention of convincing some poor sap that they are buying a datu kris. That bothers me. But being mainly a collector of Indo keris i have become very accustom to replacement parts as it is part of the tradition. Still, even there you sometimes see upscale dress on poor blades meant to increase their saleability. I have often seen this on Bali keris that are dressed up in jewel encrusted gold hilts and pushed as royal blades.