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24th January 2011, 10:08 PM | #1 |
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Plug bayonet & Left hand dagger
I have a couple of blades I know next to nothing about. Both are in astonishing good condition, even the grip on the plug bayonet. It seems to never even has been put in a muzzle.
At first I believed the plug bayonet might have been assembled at a later date, taking the blade from a sword, but studying it closely it seems to be "one genuine piece". Could anybody come up with suggestions on country and approximate time? The dagger is a beauty with almost impossible workmanship. The center of the blade and the sides of the ricasso are perforated in a intricate pattern and the V groves has hardly any diameter at the bottom. The sides go down and just straight up again. I am not able to understand how they managed to do it. Again - probable country and time period? Trond |
24th January 2011, 10:27 PM | #2 |
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Hi Trond,
Fascinating pieces. Could you post a close up picture of the plug bayonet blade, so that the inscription can be read ? Could it be Latin ? Can you also tell us the blade length ? By the way, do you know R.D.C. Evans book, called THE PLUG BAYONET ? It is a fine work. |
25th January 2011, 12:20 AM | #3 |
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V ery B eautiful B oth : )
I think the latin motto roughly translates into "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" M Last edited by celtan; 25th January 2011 at 01:49 AM. |
25th January 2011, 07:44 AM | #4 |
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Here are a couple of pictures of the text. I have "hardened" the pictures slightly.
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25th January 2011, 02:18 PM | #5 |
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Aghh... it's so beautiful it makes me salivate...
Now we have: "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" " Fight for Fatherland, Altars (God) and Hearth (Home)" Reminds me of the spanish military motto "Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey" (For God, Fatherland and King) Good reasons to rot under 6 feet of soil and push up lilies... |
25th January 2011, 06:33 PM | #6 |
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The PUGNO PRO PATRIA legend was a 'fashionable' patriotic motto in use in the 16th-17th century in several European countries.
A pity this is not enough to figure out the origin of this magnificent plug bayonet . Let's see if someone pops up with positive data. No ideas about the left hand dagger, Gentlemen? No close up pictures available, Trond ? |
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