Tabouka ? blade markings - makers mark ?

[dugsey]

I have an old sword which I believe is a Takouba, it is very basic, there is on the blade a mark,actually an identical pair of marks, with one each side of the Fuller where the shorter fullers ends. There is probably a correct name for them, but to me they look like two halves of a broken egg, with the broken bits facing away from the central Fuller. The sword is very basic, the only decoration is some crude markings on the guard, two six pointed stars on one side, the other side looks as if it had markings but they have worn away. (Through being carried ?)
Can any one help please do you know what this mark means, I have just started collecting, am am keen to find out more.I know this sword has been in the same family in UK for at least 50 years and was purchased in Africa. I have not been able to find any information on sword makers marks although I know they exist. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[katana]

Hi Dugsey,
welcome to the forum


The markings represent a 'half moon' with a face, usually two facing away from each other. These were copied from European manufactured blade markings in a belief that they has talismatic/magical powers.

This is an from an interesting thread....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5453

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

I have often wondered what was key to the Saharan swordsmiths choosing the paired crescent moons such as these to place on takouba blades, and in some instances on kaskara blades to the east. It seems that these paired marks (termed 'dukari' as claimed by Briggs) they occur consistantly and become increasingly stylized to near unrecognizable form, but positioned in the same manner.

While the markings imitated by native makers suggested certain powers to be imbued in the blade as perceived from the emphasis of these on the imported European blades, it is interesting to consider the meanings of the markings as they diffuse cross culturally. What began as occult allegorical symbolism on the blades in Europe, evolved into associated quality marks by certain makers, then into folk magic and power imbuing talismanic symbolism in native perception.

All very best regards,
Jim

Also check this out

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/takouba/index.html

Regards David

[Lee]

The marks in the linked photo are 'degenerated' half moons; consistent with the overall appearance of a local natively made blade. On trade blades of European origin, the half moons will be much beter defined.

[Emanuel]

Hello,

Here's an accumulation of old threads on the takouba: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=38757

Regards,
Emanuel

[dugsey]

Well thanks Guys, I have now worked my way through all the threads and read all the opions and advice. Phew !

Well my blade is flat, and thin, about 2-3 mm (I need a micrometer !) springy but not floppy. So I guess I have a native made blade with imitation man in the moon markings, however the fullers are well defined, and could not be defined as "Scratched on". They seem fairly regular. On one side of the blade One of the Man in the moon markings seems worn away (From repeated sharpening ?) Although the sharp edge finishes about there. There are strange slightly raised lines on the sharp edges which run at right angles to the cutting edge, I do not think they are the result of sharpening, at least not using the traditional method.
The blade also shows a swirly sort of pattern in places.

Do any of you guys have an opion ? Do I have a genuine old (ish) native blade or is it one made for the tourist trade ? I know it was brought back from North Africa about 50 years ago and has been in the same family since then.

The Sheath is leather and finished in the tradition pattern with cord and ? Tassells which are in good condition. They have obviously seen little wear and tear. (which may be a clue ?)

And if is a genuine old Tabouka, does anyone have any ideas as to its value or where I can get it appraised.

As a mere beginner, any help or advice would be much appreciated. I can upload more pics if they would be helpful.

Thanks everyone

Dugsey

[Emanuel]

Hello Dugsey,

In his "report from Timbuktu" (I think that's the thread) Dr.Lee mentionned piles of newly made and somewhat old takoubas. Forum member Dom also said he saw them newly-made and sold to tourists. You certainly have a native blade but likely not one that was meant for a fight. That said, I saw a documentary recently on the Hausa (or more likely the Fulani) and they were shown sharpening their takoubas. The blades were very thin and extremely flexible, and they looked like the modern ones. I think these are still being produced both for tourists and local use as personal apparel for tribal dances/ceremonies/maybe even fights. I don't think yours is older than WWII, can't prove it though.

As for value...I don't know what real value would be. on eBay bids will fluctuate wildly. Dealers will ask for a lot. Since yours has the tassels intact it may fetch a nice price even if it's all leather, who knows. There have been many of eBay that sold for peanuts, mostly the cheap new ones. I have never seen any piece on eBay or anywhere else, comparable in quality to those shown by Dr.Lee in his article.
I guess you can always list yours as a Sudanese kaskara on eBay and have the price go up . Could you post pics?

Regards,
Emanuel