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22nd October 2014, 12:08 AM
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Omani khanjar
Hi Guys
And what about this Omani khanjar, old or not? I have another question: what is the material used for the hilt, horn? Cow, giraffe or troll? Thanks Kubur |
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23rd October 2014, 03:05 PM
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I think my question was really boring...
even for the Khanjars lovers... Kubur |
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23rd October 2014, 05:01 PM
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The grip is cowhorn, Kubur.
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24th October 2014, 08:06 AM
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If there is a date on the coin it might assist with the age of the whole piece....but then again it may not. Is the coin Omani, and is it the only coin on the belt?
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26th October 2014, 12:14 PM
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Salaams Kubur As noted the hilt is off a cow. Actually I rather like this khanjar ... It will clean up very well... The belt section is original to the item I think... at least the work is similar and looks to be Baatinah style. The coin being Saudia...see http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...F3&FORM=IQFRBA for references to this coin style. It is always difficult to imagine the original Khanjar as so many parts can be changed... but anyway... it would be nice to view this one after a full clean up...  Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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26th October 2014, 08:09 PM
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another question on Omani khanjar
Dear All,
Thank you for your answers. I'm still learning about Omani khanjar and Arabian jambiya in general... I took me a while to understand all the styles of koummiya and I try to do the same with khanjar now...to avoid mistakes... I have one question about this one. It looks like beginning of 20th c. Is it? Regards, Kubur |
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27th October 2014, 07:10 PM
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Salaams Kubur. Wrong end of the right century ... Its about around the 1990 form.. so a 20 to 30 year old I would say..What I find interesting is the simple play with geometry on the buttons ...in this case the geometric figure 5. Illustrating a religious configuration often associated with the hand of Fatima..sometimes seen in five finger form.. though in Oman nearly always geometrically drawn. Here the Khanjar is of the Baatinah Coast style with a lot of stitching below the belt whereas in other styles including the interior and UAE styles there is a lot of leather showing there...The hilt is interesting also..since it shows a lot of pins used in the overall pattern. See my thread on Omani Khanjars. On the subject of the khanjar with which you disagree.. That is always your choice... I will just tell you what I know...having handled these for several decades (literally thousands of them) and if I thought it deserved a better write up .. I would give you it. It doesn't. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 27th October 2014 at 07:20 PM. Reason: s |
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27th October 2014, 08:32 PM
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Salaam Ibrahiim,
Thank you very much for your comments that I value a lot. Finaly I followed all your comments and bought another one, for sure Omani. I will post the photos soon. And this one, I'm sure that's an old one!!! You will see... Best wishes, Kubur |
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27th October 2014, 03:53 PM
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A last word, for the one that I showed in this thread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19163 I don't agree with you Ibrahiim. It is not a bad Indian copy, believe me I had it in hands. It is clearly 1970ties, but of a really good quality. I can see a lot of bad and recent copies on ebay and on line, nothing to do with this one... Now I agree that it is not "an ethnographic object"... Kubur |
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28th October 2014, 01:48 AM
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28th October 2014, 09:56 AM
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Taking into account that current jambias/khanjars are mass produced and serve as a mundane part of a daily male attire, what difference does it make?
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28th October 2014, 02:05 PM
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Last edited by A.alnakkas; 28th October 2014 at 03:52 PM. |
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28th October 2014, 02:10 PM
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28th October 2014, 03:25 PM
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Thank you Ariel!
I will put mine in the second level of al-Nakas definition... As it looks quite good in hands. Nevertheless I was so desperate that I got another one. I don't think that this one is a bad one... :-) Kubur |
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29th October 2014, 05:10 PM
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There are still about 10 top class artisans in Oman making traditional Khanjars and belts. Actually as in the past there are specialists making various parts of this item and really probably only a few masters who can make the entire weapon.. This is far from mundane item and you surprise me with that comment but perhaps you have missed the point... In Oman it has to be the most photographed and admired ethnographic and historical item ever! It is totally unique. It is the badge of office of the head of the Omani family and worn by commoner and royalty alike. This represents living, breathing, ethnographic arms at their very best... How can that be mundane? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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29th October 2014, 06:47 PM
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Normally I collect only 19th century objects, so I'm a little bit disappointed.
But I know that you are ALL right...And I accept all these comments. Anyway, at least, the last khanjar is an ethnographic object! Regards, Kubur |
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