I'd like to see cross cultural sundang melayu kerises

milandro · 6th July 2023, 02:52 PM

I own a few krises and they are: Javanese , Balinese and Bugis.

I also own one Moro Kris with a very large 13Luk blade.

I'm curious about those Melayu Sundang that are not from the Philippines and which actually represent a cross cultural meeting of culture between the Indonesian kris and the Philippino Kris.

I understand they are shorter, generally show pamor and may feature or not Baca Baca. I think I gather that the hilt is friction mount (as opposed to be set in place) and there is , albeit not always, a mendak or selut of some sort?

I have had some contacts with a Balinese dealer whom suggested a couple but I am not so sure that they are what I may be interested in.

I would like to know more about these specific krises. I am not even sure that this tradition is very old. I have seen some examples clearly new but also saw others that appeared older but were certainly not older than 100 years if at all that!

thanks!

Just to show one example, this was sold a few years ago on Catawiki , it certainly was a new example but I think it fairly depicts the kind of thing which I do mean

Sajen · 6th July 2023, 06:01 PM

Hello Milandro,

Here is the wrong place!

You have to look in the other Ethno forum, just search for Malay sundang or kris and you will find plenty of threads with examples, most of them are antique!

A few threads:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang

milandro · 6th July 2023, 07:34 PM

thank you , I was really looking more at crossover krises with pamor on the blade and a clearer mix of the two different traditions.

The ones you suggest are certainly fine specimens

Sajen · 6th July 2023, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milandro

thank you , I was really looking more at crossover krises with pamor on the blade and a clearer mix of the two different traditions.

The ones you suggest are certainly fine specimens

Malay sundangs normally don't show pamor!

A. G. Maisey · 6th July 2023, 10:50 PM

Pasar Turi, Surabaya.

Gustav · 7th July 2023, 02:52 AM

Well, Malay Sundang can have Pamor exactly like their Moro counterparts, but in diference of them also can have Gonjo with Pamor.

There are Malay Sundang which are parts of Perak and Terengganu regalia at least from second half of 19th cent.

6th July 2023, 02:52 PM	#1
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 474	I'd like to see cross cultural sundang melayu kerises I own a few krises and they are: Javanese , Balinese and Bugis. I also own one Moro Kris with a very large 13Luk blade. I'm curious about those Melayu Sundang that are not from the Philippines and which actually represent a cross cultural meeting of culture between the Indonesian kris and the Philippino Kris. I understand they are shorter, generally show pamor and may feature or not Baca Baca. I think I gather that the hilt is friction mount (as opposed to be set in place) and there is , albeit not always, a mendak or selut of some sort? I have had some contacts with a Balinese dealer whom suggested a couple but I am not so sure that they are what I may be interested in. I would like to know more about these specific krises. I am not even sure that this tradition is very old. I have seen some examples clearly new but also saw others that appeared older but were certainly not older than 100 years if at all that! thanks! Just to show one example, this was sold a few years ago on Catawiki , it certainly was a new example but I think it fairly depicts the kind of thing which I do mean Attached Images Last edited by milandro; 6th July 2023 at 05:56 PM.

6th July 2023, 06:01 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hello Milandro, Here is the wrong place! You have to look in the other Ethno forum, just search for Malay sundang or kris and you will find plenty of threads with examples, most of them are antique! A few threads: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=malay+sundang

6th July 2023, 07:34 PM	#3
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 474	thank you , I was really looking more at crossover krises with pamor on the blade and a clearer mix of the two different traditions. The ones you suggest are certainly fine specimens

6th July 2023, 10:50 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Pasar Turi, Surabaya.

7th July 2023, 02:52 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	Well, Malay Sundang can have Pamor exactly like their Moro counterparts, but in diference of them also can have Gonjo with Pamor. There are Malay Sundang which are parts of Perak and Terengganu regalia at least from second half of 19th cent.