Pajang Keris

maxbliss888 · 19th June 2015, 04:28 AM

My friend's Pajang to share... Was told that it was meant for execution...

David · 19th June 2015, 05:53 AM

I believe the idea of the keris panjang being an executioner's keris is a bit of a myth or at least an exaggeration. The panjang, as i understand it, is a status piece, to be held by those of rank and authority. Therefore it may have been the choice of keris for execution simply because it was held by those with authority to execute. I don't think it was a style of keris that was created specifically for capital punishment. I doubt that most panjang were ever intended to be used in that manner, only that they could be because they were held by someone who might have the power to actually do it.

maxbliss888 · 19th June 2015, 07:13 AM

ɬɧąŋƙʂ David,

Glad to know that it is not necessary a Keris used for execution as it will not be a comfortable idea to place this at home.

As this is a Pajang found in Thailand, is there any different from those from Indonesia?

Jean · 19th June 2015, 02:08 PM

Hello Max,
As David said this is a keris panjang (long) while Pajang used to be a short-lived Indonesian kingdom which raised after the Majapahit period (16th century) and also a reference style of javanese blade.
I attach the pics of 2 keris panjang supposedly originating from East Sumatra for comparison with yours.
Regards

maxbliss888 · 19th June 2015, 02:14 PM

Hello Jean,

Thanks for the clarification.

Nice looking Keris you have there. Really like the one with silver embossed design..

Jean · 19th June 2015, 03:11 PM

Hello Max,
Thanks. As you see there are not very significant differences besides the carved decoration of the hilt & scabbard, and possibly the style of greneng and tikel alis. Please show us a picture of the base of the blade (sor-soran) for allowing a more detailed comparison.
Regards

David · 19th June 2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by maxbliss888

As this is a Pajang found in Thailand, is there any different from those from Indonesia?

Max, i am really not quite certain of the origin of your keris panjang, but please be aware that simply because a keris is found in Thailand does not necessarily mean that it originated there.

The panjang form seems to have begun in Sumatra and migrated to the Peninsula areas. I am unaware of their use or status in Thailand. In fact i am not aware of Thailand having much keris culture of it's own to speak of so i would image that most keris blades found there did not originate there, but perhaps there was more blade production than i know. I think they are generally only found in the southern extremes of Thailand (the northern part of the Malay Peninsula).

maxbliss888 · 20th June 2015, 07:27 AM

Hi!

The Keris were found from Southern Thailand and I am not sure it's origin. Perhaps it comes from Indonesia...

David · 20th June 2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by maxbliss888

Perhaps it comes from Indonesia...

Better photos would be helpful including close-ups.

asomotif · 19th June 2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by David

The panjang, as i understand it, is a status piece, to be held by those of rank and authority

Like this Teuku from Northern Sumatra.

19th June 2015, 04:28 AM	#1
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Pajang Keris My friend's Pajang to share... Was told that it was meant for execution... Attached Images

19th June 2015, 07:13 AM	#3
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Paging Keris ɬɧąŋƙʂ David, Glad to know that it is not necessary a Keris used for execution as it will not be a comfortable idea to place this at home. As this is a Pajang found in Thailand, is there any different from those from Indonesia?

19th June 2015, 02:08 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Max, As David said this is a keris panjang (long) while Pajang used to be a short-lived Indonesian kingdom which raised after the Majapahit period (16th century) and also a reference style of javanese blade. I attach the pics of 2 keris panjang supposedly originating from East Sumatra for comparison with yours. Regards Attached Images

19th June 2015, 02:14 PM	#5
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Panjang Hello Jean, Thanks for the clarification. Nice looking Keris you have there. Really like the one with silver embossed design.. Last edited by maxbliss888; 20th June 2015 at 07:28 AM.

20th June 2015, 07:27 AM	#8
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Hi! The Keris were found from Southern Thailand and I am not sure it's origin. Perhaps it comes from Indonesia...

19th June 2015, 05:53 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	I believe the idea of the keris panjang being an executioner's keris is a bit of a myth or at least an exaggeration. The panjang, as i understand it, is a status piece, to be held by those of rank and authority. Therefore it may have been the choice of keris for execution simply because it was held by those with authority to execute. I don't think it was a style of keris that was created specifically for capital punishment. I doubt that most panjang were ever intended to be used in that manner, only that they could be because they were held by someone who might have the power to actually do it.

19th June 2015, 03:11 PM	#6
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Max, Thanks. As you see there are not very significant differences besides the carved decoration of the hilt & scabbard, and possibly the style of greneng and tikel alis. Please show us a picture of the base of the blade (sor-soran) for allowing a more detailed comparison. Regards