Bali/Sumatran piso podang swap?

Tim Simmons · 28th March 2009, 06:15 PM

I have this piece and a few other Asian pieces that I may swap. What I like is African weapons {ceremonial/parade}, clubs, I still need a good wire covered knobkerrie. I would like a club from New Britian area, Solomans, Vanuatu. I would like one of the stone ball or disc clubs.

This piece is 43 inches ---- 108cm out of the scabbard. The blade is in very good condition etched showing all the pattern welded steel. The inscription relates to this period of production. 1806-10

ca . 1806 French Empire of Napoleon I

The word impériale is mentioned (Impale)
Mf ure Imp ale du Klingenthal Coulaux frères
Mf ure Imp ale du Klingenthal Coulaux

More information can be found at this site. It was suggested to me that this form of blade is not common even for Klingenthal production.

http://users.skynet.be/euro-swords/klingenthal.htm

You can email or pm for more pictures. Sorry some of these are rather large for this site but it is a big sword.

ericlaude · 29th March 2009, 01:24 AM

I'm interested, I have diferent africaain weapon for swap
rico94.claude@wanadoo.fr

CharlesS · 29th March 2009, 02:17 AM

Tim,

I have sent an email.

Tim Simmons · 29th March 2009, 02:08 PM

Pictures under a magnification to show the etched surface not rust pitting rather like the surface of a keris or one of those Sumartran sikim? things.

I am also think about letting the Ban go too, blade 17.5 inches or 45.5cm, heavy.

Henk · 29th March 2009, 05:47 PM

Tim,

The Piso Podang has a very charming appearance. I think i do love it, but something puzzles me.
A Klingenthal blade means a French blade used for a Piso Podang. Unusual, but not a complete surprise. But a laminated blade like a keris means it should be a pamor blade. I don't think a European and in this case a French blade is forged in that way. I can hardly imagine it really is.
So the only conclusion is that the rough surface must be caused by rust pitting.

But still, I love this piece!!

Flavio · 29th March 2009, 05:57 PM

Hi Henk!

From this picture the blade seems laminated. Maybe the writing was made on a local blade after

just a guess

Tim Simmons · 29th March 2009, 05:59 PM

Henk this is not really the place to talk about it but think---- Napoleon's Dutch governer sent to Bali sets up armoury. Imported pattern welded blade adapted to local tastes ie etched. All research information can be found without difficulty. To help people google "Herman Willem Daendels" for a basic history.

The blade of the Ban is laminated, I will try to show this.

28th March 2009, 06:15 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Bali/Sumatran piso podang swap? I have this piece and a few other Asian pieces that I may swap. What I like is African weapons {ceremonial/parade}, clubs, I still need a good wire covered knobkerrie. I would like a club from New Britian area, Solomans, Vanuatu. I would like one of the stone ball or disc clubs. This piece is 43 inches ---- 108cm out of the scabbard. The blade is in very good condition etched showing all the pattern welded steel. The inscription relates to this period of production. 1806-10 ca . 1806 French Empire of Napoleon I The word impériale is mentioned (Impale) Mf ure Imp ale du Klingenthal Coulaux frères Mf ure Imp ale du Klingenthal Coulaux More information can be found at this site. It was suggested to me that this form of blade is not common even for Klingenthal production. http://users.skynet.be/euro-swords/klingenthal.htm You can email or pm for more pictures. Sorry some of these are rather large for this site but it is a big sword. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 28th March 2009 at 10:11 PM.

29th March 2009, 01:24 AM	#2
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	swap I'm interested, I have diferent africaain weapon for swap rico94.claude@wanadoo.fr

29th March 2009, 02:08 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Pictures under a magnification to show the etched surface not rust pitting rather like the surface of a keris or one of those Sumartran sikim? things. I am also think about letting the Ban go too, blade 17.5 inches or 45.5cm, heavy. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 29th March 2009 at 02:31 PM.

29th March 2009, 05:57 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Henk! From this picture the blade seems laminated. Maybe the writing was made on a local blade after just a guess Attached Images

29th March 2009, 05:59 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Henk this is not really the place to talk about it but think---- Napoleon's Dutch governer sent to Bali sets up armoury. Imported pattern welded blade adapted to local tastes ie etched. All research information can be found without difficulty. To help people google "Herman Willem Daendels" for a basic history. The blade of the Ban is laminated, I will try to show this. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 29th March 2009 at 06:35 PM.

29th March 2009, 02:17 AM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Tim, I have sent an email.

29th March 2009, 05:47 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Tim, The Piso Podang has a very charming appearance. I think i do love it, but something puzzles me. A Klingenthal blade means a French blade used for a Piso Podang. Unusual, but not a complete surprise. But a laminated blade like a keris means it should be a pamor blade. I don't think a European and in this case a French blade is forged in that way. I can hardly imagine it really is. So the only conclusion is that the rough surface must be caused by rust pitting. But still, I love this piece!!