Meteorite Dagger?

Mare Rosu · 3rd August 2006, 01:16 PM

Closed item from eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0014116936&id=
Any comments? Jens, B.I.?
I think if it is a real Meteorite Dagger price was very low.
Gene

Jens Nordlunde · 3rd August 2006, 01:50 PM

Well Gene, not everything that shines is gold, but I have no doubt the seller can convince some about the meteoric iron – I am not convinced, and I think he may have some problems to prove it. Most, if not all, meteoric iron made into blades had to be mixed with ‘earthly’ iron ore, as the ‘heavenly’ iron was not suited to be worked alone.

If you search for ‘Meteoric iron’ you will find the answer in one of the threads – happy reading

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VANDOO · 3rd August 2006, 03:44 PM

I AM VERY SUSPECIOUS OF THIS ITEM ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE RUST ON THE BLADE, THE LOOSE RUST WAS NOT EVEN BRUSHED OFF FOR THE PHOTO. I GUESS THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK OLD BUT ONE WITH KNOWLEGE OF EDGED WEAPONS WHO WAS TRYING TO PRESENT A RARE AND UNIQUE ITEM FOR SALE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT.

I WOULD NOT WANT IT IN MY COLLECTION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE LADYS PUT BATTERIES IN.

Ian · 3rd August 2006, 05:57 PM

Another one where the seller's feedback is "private" and the bidders' IDs are kept "private."

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

newempire@echoes.net · 4th August 2006, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Another one where the seller's feedback is "private" and the bidders' IDs are kept "private."

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

I concur with Ian, private feedback is the first red flag flown by an unscrupulous eBay seller, the second red flag is keeping the bidders ID private so a knowledgeable collector is unable to warn the bidder. Also! Ebay is flooded with cheap Chinese imports.

BSMStar · 3rd August 2006, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

I WOULD NOT WANT IT IN MY COLLECTION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE LADYS PUT BATTERIES IN.

And I thought it looked like a candle.

I have to add... than not all meteorite blades were worked and folded... if a "raw" meteorite were just shaped into a blade form and then rusted, you would be able to see some of the Widmanstatten pattern in the rust (assuming that it is not an ataxite). There are examples from Namibia (weapons made from the Gibeon Meteorite). Some spear points have been polished and etched... cool!

A. G. Maisey · 3rd August 2006, 11:34 PM

Yes, meteoritic material can be cut, polished etched, and mounted as a blade. This has been done by some custom knife makers in the US, and possibly in other places, too.

When meteoritic material has been used as pamor in keris and other items of wesi aji in Jawa, the fragments of meteoritic material have been wrapped in an iron envelope, welded together, and then repeatedly folded and welded until the material was clean. The end product of this process could be used to make a blade, or it could be used to adorn a blade as pamor.

However, it is possible to take pieces of meteoritic material and weld these pieces into a solid, clean mass of material. I have done this on several occasions, and although I only produced small billets, just large enough to provide pamor material for a keris, after combining with iron, if I had had a larger quantity of meteorite, I could easily have produced a billet large enough for a knife blade made entirely of meteoritic material.

If I can do it, other people could have done it. It is possible.

As for identifying meteoritic material after it has been forged, well, the famous historical metallurgist Professor Jerzy Piaskowski of Poland cannot advise of any way in which this can be done, and judging from the response I have had from other analytical metallugists spread across the globe, including a couple who specialise in analysis of meteorites, nobody else can tell us how to do it either.

nechesh · 4th August 2006, 03:01 AM

This seller specializes in "interesting" and "unusual" items of "great spititual power". He seems to offer a great deal of such items.

BSMStar · 4th August 2006, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

As for identifying meteoritic material after it has been forged, well, the famous historical metallurgist Professor Jerzy Piaskowski of Poland cannot advise of any way in which this can be done, and judging from the response I have had from other analytical metallugists spread across the globe, including a couple who specialise in analysis of meteorites, nobody else can tell us how to do it either.

I am a bit surprised that people who analyze meteorites do not know how to do this. The answer is in the trace elements, they are the fingerprint for cosmic origin. Arizona State University, Center for Meteorite Studies has been using an Electron Microprobe for years to do qualitative/quantitative analysis for meteorites and trace element amounts. The question is, getting someone to do this test (it requires polishing a small area of the surface) on a non-meteorite, and putting a number of blemishes on you otherwise beautiful sword. (Well, there is the issues of sample size).

FYI:

http://meteorites.asu.edu/

http://probelab.geo.umn.edu/

http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/labs/micropro...tion/home.html

3rd August 2006, 01:16 PM	#1
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Meteorite Dagger? Closed item from eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0014116936&id= Any comments? Jens, B.I.? I think if it is a real Meteorite Dagger price was very low. Gene

3rd August 2006, 01:50 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Well Gene, not everything that shines is gold, but I have no doubt the seller can convince some about the meteoric iron – I am not convinced, and I think he may have some problems to prove it. Most, if not all, meteoric iron made into blades had to be mixed with ‘earthly’ iron ore, as the ‘heavenly’ iron was not suited to be worked alone. If you search for ‘Meteoric iron’ you will find the answer in one of the threads – happy reading.

3rd August 2006, 05:57 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	Red flags ... Another one where the seller's feedback is "private" and the bidders' IDs are kept "private." CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

3rd August 2006, 03:44 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM VERY SUSPECIOUS OF THIS ITEM ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE RUST ON THE BLADE, THE LOOSE RUST WAS NOT EVEN BRUSHED OFF FOR THE PHOTO. I GUESS THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK OLD BUT ONE WITH KNOWLEGE OF EDGED WEAPONS WHO WAS TRYING TO PRESENT A RARE AND UNIQUE ITEM FOR SALE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT. I WOULD NOT WANT IT IN MY COLLECTION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE LADYS PUT BATTERIES IN.

3rd August 2006, 11:34 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,887	Yes, meteoritic material can be cut, polished etched, and mounted as a blade. This has been done by some custom knife makers in the US, and possibly in other places, too. When meteoritic material has been used as pamor in keris and other items of wesi aji in Jawa, the fragments of meteoritic material have been wrapped in an iron envelope, welded together, and then repeatedly folded and welded until the material was clean. The end product of this process could be used to make a blade, or it could be used to adorn a blade as pamor. However, it is possible to take pieces of meteoritic material and weld these pieces into a solid, clean mass of material. I have done this on several occasions, and although I only produced small billets, just large enough to provide pamor material for a keris, after combining with iron, if I had had a larger quantity of meteorite, I could easily have produced a billet large enough for a knife blade made entirely of meteoritic material. If I can do it, other people could have done it. It is possible. As for identifying meteoritic material after it has been forged, well, the famous historical metallurgist Professor Jerzy Piaskowski of Poland cannot advise of any way in which this can be done, and judging from the response I have had from other analytical metallugists spread across the globe, including a couple who specialise in analysis of meteorites, nobody else can tell us how to do it either.

4th August 2006, 03:01 AM	#8
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	This seller specializes in "interesting" and "unusual" items of "great spititual power". He seems to offer a great deal of such items.