For discusion

danny1976 · 20th March 2011, 01:41 PM

Hello,

I put this keris up for coment and discusion to learn.
I bought it from a older collector , this keris was in his collection for a long time
but i like to hear what are the meanings of other,s ?
Of course there is a waraka and hilt for this blade but i wan,t the focus on the blade .
Dapur Petut Kembar
Age Pajajaran Segaluh ????

Al coments are welcome.

kai · 21st March 2011, 12:22 PM

Hello Danny,

Please post the fittings later on!

Quote:

Age Pajajaran Segaluh ????

Much younger, I'd guess. Hope the more knowlegdeable members will join in here though...

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 21st March 2011, 01:36 PM

This is a good blade to look at and learn.

I'm not going to give my opinion here, lets see who can work it out.

Gustav · 21st March 2011, 01:53 PM

Looks like a reworked (chisel marks and allocation of rust pittings on the back side putut) huge (Tuban?) blade.

Yet I don't understand, how the front side Putut is done. Was this a sort of Kebo, or is it welded on?

PenangsangII · 21st March 2011, 01:58 PM

it looks like tangguh Tuban-Padjajaran based from the pics

tunggulametung · 21st March 2011, 03:45 PM

In my humble knowledge, although possible and example may exist, contrary to western believe that many putut and other blade with character carving are rework pieces, they simply are not.

Not likely a 16 c./older in my opinion. I would conservatively date the first half of 20c.

Would like to learn the philosophy behind dapur Putut as well (also similar dapur like Semar Pethak) and how long they have been around.

Sajen · 21st March 2011, 08:55 PM

Hello all,

like I write Danny by e-mail yesterday I am the opinion that this is a reworked blade. The characters are to sharp at the edges. I have asked Danny if the characters are thicker as the blade byself, I think that this is a good first indication. The front figure is thicker so I think it is welded on like Gustav assumed. I may be wrong but this is the impression I get by the pictures.

I don't want to foreclose that this is like Chandra write a blade from the first half of the 20th century.

Attached a picture of one from my putut blades which is genuine (I think and hope

) for comparison.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 21st March 2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

it looks like tangguh Tuban-Padjajaran based from the pics

I think it would be very helpful to the forum members if you could actually explain the clues and factors that you used to determine the tangguh of this keris from this set of photographs.

danny1976 · 22nd March 2011, 01:57 AM

Hi guys ,

Everybody thanks for joining in the discusion.
I realy have no idea if the blade is a reworked keris , i only strong have the feeling that the blade is old , when i look to te collor and the structure of the iron. ofcourse it can stil be reworked .

Kai was asking for the dress , i think it has no use to show it , it,s made for the keris and ofcourse younger .

Detlef , yes we talked about it by email. one petut is a little thicker and one side almost the same thicknes as the blade . The edges are sharp, but i know keris here in collections in Holland that can be proven to be old but stil have sharp greneng,s and almost no wear on the blade , so...

I can make aditionel pictures when needed , this wil be a intresting discusion
to learn !

20th March 2011, 01:41 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	For discusion Hello, I put this keris up for coment and discusion to learn. I bought it from a older collector , this keris was in his collection for a long time but i like to hear what are the meanings of other,s ? Of course there is a waraka and hilt for this blade but i wan,t the focus on the blade . Dapur Petut Kembar Age Pajajaran Segaluh ???? Al coments are welcome. Attached Images

21st March 2011, 08:55 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hello all, like I write Danny by e-mail yesterday I am the opinion that this is a reworked blade. The characters are to sharp at the edges. I have asked Danny if the characters are thicker as the blade byself, I think that this is a good first indication. The front figure is thicker so I think it is welded on like Gustav assumed. I may be wrong but this is the impression I get by the pictures. I don't want to foreclose that this is like Chandra write a blade from the first half of the 20th century. Attached a picture of one from my putut blades which is genuine (I think and hope ) for comparison. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

21st March 2011, 01:36 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	This is a good blade to look at and learn. I'm not going to give my opinion here, lets see who can work it out.

21st March 2011, 01:53 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	Looks like a reworked (chisel marks and allocation of rust pittings on the back side putut) huge (Tuban?) blade. Yet I don't understand, how the front side Putut is done. Was this a sort of Kebo, or is it welded on?

21st March 2011, 01:58 PM	#5
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	it looks like tangguh Tuban-Padjajaran based from the pics

21st March 2011, 03:45 PM	#6
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	In my humble knowledge, although possible and example may exist, contrary to western believe that many putut and other blade with character carving are rework pieces, they simply are not. Not likely a 16 c./older in my opinion. I would conservatively date the first half of 20c. Would like to learn the philosophy behind dapur Putut as well (also similar dapur like Semar Pethak) and how long they have been around.

22nd March 2011, 01:57 AM	#9
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi guys , Everybody thanks for joining in the discusion. I realy have no idea if the blade is a reworked keris , i only strong have the feeling that the blade is old , when i look to te collor and the structure of the iron. ofcourse it can stil be reworked . Kai was asking for the dress , i think it has no use to show it , it,s made for the keris and ofcourse younger . Detlef , yes we talked about it by email. one petut is a little thicker and one side almost the same thicknes as the blade . The edges are sharp, but i know keris here in collections in Holland that can be proven to be old but stil have sharp greneng,s and almost no wear on the blade , so... I can make aditionel pictures when needed , this wil be a intresting discusion to learn !