Shin Gunto 95-98 real ? kanjis translations on blade welcomed

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 09:18 PM

Hello everybody,
I post some pictures of a japanese gunto,
it seems a real one but not sure because there is a lot of ''good'' replicas...

The seller sold it for not much money:
1. he was not sure 100% if real ( hum...)
2. The blade is not sharp, unforged and with little rust.

All pieces ( tsuba...) have the same stamps: 20 ,
the habaki is not marked ( good ! )
the blade is not sharped and seems classic industrial WWII japanese blade
for officer.

Maybe anybody can read and translate the kanjis on the tang.
there is another 2 signs on the scabbard ( cf pictures ).
( inside the scabbard ''classic'' wooden structure ).

Thank you,
I tried to do my best with the pictures but !...

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 09:20 PM

pictures...

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 10:53 PM

another glyphe:

mariusgmioc · 10th March 2017, 11:32 PM

An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro.

The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

Rich · 10th March 2017, 11:40 PM

I respectfully disagree. Looks totally correct for a Showa era (so dated) shingunto. I think is reads Kanenori as the maker.

Rich

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Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC

Japanese Sword Guide
http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 11:59 PM

Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

asomotif · 12th March 2017, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro.

The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

I also have great difficulty with the kanji on this sword...
I really can not make anything out of it.
They could be chinese or even korean in my opinion.

But hey, that is probably due to my lack of knowledge of the japanese language.

Rich : arigatou gozaimasu
Francantolin : omedetou !

pbleed · 12th March 2017, 11:54 PM

Dr. Stein is correct. this is a Japanese gunto made in August 1943 by a cutlerer named Kanenori. He was a an established producer of military swords. This sword is a wirthy example of wartime swords. The point may have been abused, but overall the the condition is not bad. Post thsi sword on the Niponto Message board anf you will get a fuller account.
Peter

francantolin · 13th March 2017, 12:21 AM

Thank's for the congratulations !...

))

Yes not sure, that's why I didn't pay it much money,
if it's a fake, it's a really nice one, all details seems ok !
( I think in auctions sometimes they will sell fakes for true ones !)

have you pictures of korean copy for compare?
It can't be a chines fake, they are to basics.

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	Shin Gunto 95-98 real ? kanjis translations on blade welcomed Hello everybody, I post some pictures of a japanese gunto, it seems a real one but not sure because there is a lot of ''good'' replicas... The seller sold it for not much money: 1. he was not sure 100% if real ( hum...) 2. The blade is not sharp, unforged and with little rust. All pieces ( tsuba...) have the same stamps: 20 , the habaki is not marked ( good ! ) the blade is not sharped and seems classic industrial WWII japanese blade for officer. Maybe anybody can read and translate the kanjis on the tang. there is another 2 signs on the scabbard ( cf pictures ). ( inside the scabbard ''classic'' wooden structure ). Thank you, I tried to do my best with the pictures but !... Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	pictures... Attached Images

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro. The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

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Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	I respectfully disagree. Looks totally correct for a Showa era (so dated) shingunto. I think is reads Kanenori as the maker. Rich ------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC Japanese Sword Guide http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

12th March 2017, 11:54 PM	#8
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	Dr. Stein is correct. this is a Japanese gunto made in August 1943 by a cutlerer named Kanenori. He was a an established producer of military swords. This sword is a wirthy example of wartime swords. The point may have been abused, but overall the the condition is not bad. Post thsi sword on the Niponto Message board anf you will get a fuller account. Peter

13th March 2017, 12:21 AM	#9
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	Thank's for the congratulations !... )) Yes not sure, that's why I didn't pay it much money, if it's a fake, it's a really nice one, all details seems ok ! ( I think in auctions sometimes they will sell fakes for true ones !) have you pictures of korean copy for compare? It can't be a chines fake, they are to basics.