"Buginees 'Executioners' Keris" for comment

Atlantia · 25th September 2012, 07:01 PM

At least that's what the original collectors notes call it (in Dutch).

Blade looks to have been etched and restained many times.
Interesting 'lugs' like a harpoon.
Overall length in scabard 51cm. Blade a fraction under 43cm.
The largest Bugis Keris I've ever had I think.

Help and comments appreciated as always.

Gustav · 25th September 2012, 09:17 PM

It looks like an older Lombok blade in a refurbished (or new) Sulawesi sheath. Buntut is most probably new.

Hilt is an old one.

The somewhat exotic term "Executioneers kris" is mostly applied to panjang type blades.

kai · 10th October 2012, 11:03 PM

Hello Gustav,

Quote:

It looks like an older Lombok blade

Could you specify any characteristics which support an origin from Lombok (or Sumbawa), please?

I can see your point but am not fully convinced yet...

I have seen blades with a somewhat similar profile from the Riau archipelago; the greneng may better fit with the suggested eastern origin though.

Same-o with the selut which Detlef attributed to Sumbawa which IMVHO doesn't look close enough to the examples mentioned to ascertain this origin...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 11th October 2012, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Same-o with the selut which Detlef attributed to Sumbawa which IMVHO doesn't look close enough to the examples mentioned to ascertain this origin...

Hello Kai,

have a look to this selut/pendokok.

Best,

Detlef

Atlantia · 11th October 2012, 10:20 PM

kai · 12th October 2012, 07:18 AM

Yup, similar indeed.

Did you got your example from Hartadi, Detlef?

The innermost ring in Gene's example is indented while it is kinda raised/granulated (more similar to the outermost ring) in Detelef's example. I won't quibble though until we have more of these with sound provenance.

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 25th September 2012, 09:18 PM

Interesting combination .

Atlantia · 25th September 2012, 09:31 PM

These have been sat in a collection for years.
Whether the collector (who lived out there) had the sheath made or bought the blade in this configuration with a recently (at that time) made sheath I don't know, but he seems to have preserved many items in exactly 'as found by him' condition.
Usually he seems to have either just heavily greased them or varnished the blades.

Gustav · 25th September 2012, 11:02 PM

It looks like he has found the sheath in "just sanded and repolished" condition. I see nil signs of patina on sampir, contrary to hilt.

Atlantia · 25th September 2012, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

It looks like he has found the sheath in "just sanded and repolished" condition. I see nil signs of patina on sampir, contrary to hilt.

Hi Gustav,

Absolutely. In hand it looks like it was made yesterday, but the hilt does seem to have some age.
I get the feeling he was sourcing this stuff for a long time so he may have had people 'restoring' or even finding it for him and doing some 'tarting-up' prior to selling to him.
It's all a good fit though. Is the blade an interesting one?

Sajen · 26th September 2012, 12:31 AM

Hi Gene,

very interesting piece. Gustav is correct, the blade have a Lombok touch. Can you provide a picture how the blade fits inside the sheath? Pendokok look like a Sumbawa one. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11474, look posts 2, 5 & 6. Never have seen a blade like this with harpoon like hooks.

Regards,

Detlef

25th September 2012, 07:01 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	"Buginees 'Executioners' Keris" for comment At least that's what the original collectors notes call it (in Dutch). Blade looks to have been etched and restained many times. Interesting 'lugs' like a harpoon. Overall length in scabard 51cm. Blade a fraction under 43cm. The largest Bugis Keris I've ever had I think. Help and comments appreciated as always. Attached Images

11th October 2012, 10:20 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Attached Images

25th September 2012, 09:17 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	It looks like an older Lombok blade in a refurbished (or new) Sulawesi sheath. Buntut is most probably new. Hilt is an old one. The somewhat exotic term "Executioneers kris" is mostly applied to panjang type blades.

12th October 2012, 07:18 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Yup, similar indeed. Did you got your example from Hartadi, Detlef? The innermost ring in Gene's example is indented while it is kinda raised/granulated (more similar to the outermost ring) in Detelef's example. I won't quibble though until we have more of these with sound provenance. Regards, Kai

25th September 2012, 09:18 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Interesting combination .

25th September 2012, 09:31 PM	#8
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	These have been sat in a collection for years. Whether the collector (who lived out there) had the sheath made or bought the blade in this configuration with a recently (at that time) made sheath I don't know, but he seems to have preserved many items in exactly 'as found by him' condition. Usually he seems to have either just heavily greased them or varnished the blades.

25th September 2012, 11:02 PM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	It looks like he has found the sheath in "just sanded and repolished" condition. I see nil signs of patina on sampir, contrary to hilt.

26th September 2012, 12:31 AM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	Hi Gene, very interesting piece. Gustav is correct, the blade have a Lombok touch. Can you provide a picture how the blade fits inside the sheath? Pendokok look like a Sumbawa one. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11474, look posts 2, 5 & 6. Never have seen a blade like this with harpoon like hooks. Regards, Detlef