Any Amazon collectors?

Tim Simmons · 3rd December 2010, 06:32 PM

Are there any collectors of Peruvian or Brazilian Amazon Indian weapons? If so I would like your opinions please.

For many years I have wanted a club or should I say clubs from this region. I am not really talking about "Antique" though yes we all want as old as we can get. I have seen on TV recently contacted people with clubs but cannot find publications on the subject or stuff on the net. I have a book on feather work

I have recently bought from a USA internet " Tribal art" trader, this club. Which was not a great sum of money so I do not expect too much. He assures me it is genuine, collected himself and says it is older as these things go

It has yet to arrive. I can show clubs of the same size approx 23inches long, like the two East African examples I show here. The club is also the same approx width as the Trobriand island/Massim club, 3inches. The seller says it is 3/4 inch thick which is a touch more than the sword club.

If you have any information on this club and weapons from the region please do not hold back. The Amazon club is on the black background.

Luc LEFEBVRE · 3rd December 2010, 06:39 PM

Yes...

Tim Simmons · 3rd December 2010, 06:41 PM

Lovely examples, pricey

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kahnjar1 · 3rd December 2010, 07:15 PM

..........my wife would object...........but nice just the same

Berkley · 3rd December 2010, 09:29 PM

High maintenance collectibles.

asomotif · 3rd December 2010, 11:24 PM

Pfew... An open door, and I am not the first to kick it in

I am in the lucky position that I can get mandau's in the dining room, and Asmat shields on my bedroom wall.
But collecting AMAZONES.... No, my wife will surely object.
Besides that these Amzones have a name of having a temper. So even collecting them can involve certain risks

Than serious, I bump into feather decorations on regular basis. But clubs attributed to the amazone region. They are probably not very common.

Surinam has been dutch colonial property in the past.
Did / or do they have clubs there ?

Best regards,
Willem

colin henshaw · 6th December 2010, 08:12 AM

Tim

I occasionally find things from Guyana, because of the colonial connection (ex British Guiana), but almost never from Brazil. I wonder if Portugal could be a possible source ?

Tim Simmons · 15th December 2010, 07:20 PM

No worries here I was not expecting anying older than the last part of the 20th century. I like the big pommel, a close contact bludgeon.

VANDOO · 21st December 2010, 04:12 AM

MY SOURCE DRIED UP QUITE A WHILE BACK AND WAS NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE ANYWAY BUT I HAVE DABBLED A BIT IN SOUTH AMERICAN CLUBS. I WILL PUT IN A FEW PICTURES WITH WHAT INFORMATION I HAVE.
1. KAYAPO TRIBE, BRAZIL, DANCE
2.REPLICA OF AZTEC MACUAHUITL WAR CLUB WITH OBSIDIAN BLADES.
3. BORA TRIBE, PERU, RIO AMPIYACU PEBAS
4. FOUR VARIOUS AMAZON WAR CLUBS
5.KARAJA TRIBE BRAZIL, 20.5IN. LONG CLUB
6.HUAORA TRIBE HUNTER WITH CLUB, AND BLOWGUN
7.MACARA CLUB,GUIANA N. BRAZIL CLUB 25.5 X 4IN.
8. SHIPIBO KOMBO TRIBE,PERU, FULL SIZE CLUB
9. SHIPIBO KOMBO, PERU, TOURIST MODEL 21 IN LONG.
10. SHIPIBO KOMBO TRIBE,UOAYALI RIVER AREA PERU
11.YANOMANI TRIBE CLUBS
12. AZTEC REPLICA MACUAHUITL WAR CLUB

VANDOO · 21st December 2010, 05:11 AM

A FEW MORE AND I WILL QUIT.
1. AZTEC REPLICA OBSIDIAN BLADES
2.KARAJA TRIBE WAR CLUB
3. & 4. KAYAPO WAR CLUBS
5. LEATHER PERDIDA, EARLY FORM OF BOLO'S
6. MACANA CLUB, 11 X 2.75 IN LONG, GUIANA ,N. BRAZIL

Tim Simmons · 21st December 2010, 09:55 AM

Thanks for the pictures Barry. I was going to buy one of those clubs no the black background, but by the time I made my mind up, somebody else snapped it up. I was frying a Niue fish, so you win some you loose some. JusT this picture 1908 is most interesting. As specially the Brummagen/Brummagem ie Burmingham England goods. From "The Hidden Peoples of the Amazon museum of mankind, Elizabeth Carmichael 1985" at this date it is said that large tribe against tribe conflict had more or less stopped but smaller inter-tribal conflicts still happened.

Nathaniel · 23rd December 2010, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

A FEW MORE AND I WILL QUIT.
1. AZTEC REPLICA OBSIDIAN BLADES
2.KARAJA TRIBE WAR CLUB
3. & 4. KAYAPO WAR CLUBS
5. LEATHER PERDIDA, EARLY FORM OF BOLO'S
6. MACANA CLUB, 11 X 2.75 IN LONG, GUIANA ,N. BRAZIL

Obsidian lined clubs would definitely make a garly cut...some might groan when I mention the show...but the Spike TV program Deadliest Warrior featured a Aztec Jaguar warrior:

http://deadliestwarrior.wikia.com/wiki/Aztec_Jaguar

3rd December 2010, 06:32 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Any Amazon collectors? Are there any collectors of Peruvian or Brazilian Amazon Indian weapons? If so I would like your opinions please. For many years I have wanted a club or should I say clubs from this region. I am not really talking about "Antique" though yes we all want as old as we can get. I have seen on TV recently contacted people with clubs but cannot find publications on the subject or stuff on the net. I have a book on feather work I have recently bought from a USA internet " Tribal art" trader, this club. Which was not a great sum of money so I do not expect too much. He assures me it is genuine, collected himself and says it is older as these things go It has yet to arrive. I can show clubs of the same size approx 23inches long, like the two East African examples I show here. The club is also the same approx width as the Trobriand island/Massim club, 3inches. The seller says it is 3/4 inch thick which is a touch more than the sword club. If you have any information on this club and weapons from the region please do not hold back. The Amazon club is on the black background. Attached Images

3rd December 2010, 06:39 PM	#2
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Yes... Attached Images

15th December 2010, 07:20 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	No worries here I was not expecting anying older than the last part of the 20th century. I like the big pommel, a close contact bludgeon. Attached Images

21st December 2010, 04:12 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY SOURCE DRIED UP QUITE A WHILE BACK AND WAS NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE ANYWAY BUT I HAVE DABBLED A BIT IN SOUTH AMERICAN CLUBS. I WILL PUT IN A FEW PICTURES WITH WHAT INFORMATION I HAVE. 1. KAYAPO TRIBE, BRAZIL, DANCE 2.REPLICA OF AZTEC MACUAHUITL WAR CLUB WITH OBSIDIAN BLADES. 3. BORA TRIBE, PERU, RIO AMPIYACU PEBAS 4. FOUR VARIOUS AMAZON WAR CLUBS 5.KARAJA TRIBE BRAZIL, 20.5IN. LONG CLUB 6.HUAORA TRIBE HUNTER WITH CLUB, AND BLOWGUN 7.MACARA CLUB,GUIANA N. BRAZIL CLUB 25.5 X 4IN. 8. SHIPIBO KOMBO TRIBE,PERU, FULL SIZE CLUB 9. SHIPIBO KOMBO, PERU, TOURIST MODEL 21 IN LONG. 10. SHIPIBO KOMBO TRIBE,UOAYALI RIVER AREA PERU 11.YANOMANI TRIBE CLUBS 12. AZTEC REPLICA MACUAHUITL WAR CLUB Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 21st December 2010 at 04:35 AM.

21st December 2010, 05:11 AM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE AND I WILL QUIT. 1. AZTEC REPLICA OBSIDIAN BLADES 2.KARAJA TRIBE WAR CLUB 3. & 4. KAYAPO WAR CLUBS 5. LEATHER PERDIDA, EARLY FORM OF BOLO'S 6. MACANA CLUB, 11 X 2.75 IN LONG, GUIANA ,N. BRAZIL Attached Images

3rd December 2010, 06:41 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Lovely examples, pricey .

3rd December 2010, 07:15 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	..........my wife would object...........but nice just the same

3rd December 2010, 09:29 PM	#5
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	High maintenance collectibles.

3rd December 2010, 11:24 PM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Pfew... An open door, and I am not the first to kick it in I am in the lucky position that I can get mandau's in the dining room, and Asmat shields on my bedroom wall. But collecting AMAZONES.... No, my wife will surely object. Besides that these Amzones have a name of having a temper. So even collecting them can involve certain risks Than serious, I bump into feather decorations on regular basis. But clubs attributed to the amazone region. They are probably not very common. Surinam has been dutch colonial property in the past. Did / or do they have clubs there ? Best regards, Willem

6th December 2010, 08:12 AM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Tim I occasionally find things from Guyana, because of the colonial connection (ex British Guiana), but almost never from Brazil. I wonder if Portugal could be a possible source ?

21st December 2010, 09:55 AM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Thanks for the pictures Barry. I was going to buy one of those clubs no the black background, but by the time I made my mind up, somebody else snapped it up. I was frying a Niue fish, so you win some you loose some. JusT this picture 1908 is most interesting. As specially the Brummagen/Brummagem ie Burmingham England goods. From "The Hidden Peoples of the Amazon museum of mankind, Elizabeth Carmichael 1985" at this date it is said that large tribe against tribe conflict had more or less stopped but smaller inter-tribal conflicts still happened. Attached Images