![]() |
|
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 127
|
![]()
I hereby enclose some newly-made Moro Kris sheaths and handles for comments. Please also feel free to comment on the blades.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,249
|
![]()
Hello Alexis,
Welcome to the forum! The piece with the fittings from light wood is a khukuri(-type) blade (dressed in pseudo-Moro fittings). It would be good to see larger pics of all other blades including a close-up of the base of the blade. I'm afraid that the fittings (and possibly blades) are not Moro but rather originate from Indonesia: Probably Madurese carvers - where did you obtain these? Regards, Kai |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 127
|
![]()
Yes, I commissioned these sheaths from Indonesia. The blades were all sourced from the USA, through ebay.
Just wanted to hear comments on how closely these sheaths conform to authentic Moro designs and motifs. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,716
|
![]() Quote:
![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,716
|
![]()
Frankly said I have a strange feeling by this thread and wouldn't like to comment on how closely these sheaths conform to authentic Moro designs and motifs.
![]() See please also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22787 & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22798 & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22807 & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22790 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,249
|
![]() Quote:
![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,249
|
![]()
Hello Alexis,
Not at all, I'm afraid! There is a vague similarity in some details and way off in many others, sorry... If you want a Moro scabbard, you really need to reach out to Bangsamoro craftsmen (and skilled ones are not easy to find). While the Philippines have their share of gruesome fantasy fittings and pieces, there are some pieces coming out of Mindanao which have reasonable, newly made fittings. An ebay search for Davao should turn up something, I guess. You can also contact forumites Jose Albovias or Philip Tom who have done quite a few scabbards from scratch for nekkid blades. With both approaches it will get more expensive the more you insist on a traditional high-quality dress, obviously. ![]() Regards, Kai |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 | |
Keris forum moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,088
|
![]() Quote:
Last edited by David; 9th June 2017 at 09:06 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 127
|
![]()
I hereby attach pictures of the original Moro handles and sheaths that inspired my new Sarungs.
Can someone comment on whether these are traditional Moro designs and motifs? Or are these a modern artistic expression? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 184
|
![]() Quote:
Hello Alexish, The first three photos show modern pieces but they are examples of what are currently the highest quality products from the town of Tugaya in Lanao del Sur, Mindanao. Tugaya is the traditional home of the best Maranao craftsmen so your examples (post #9) are authentic Moro pieces. For your reference, attached is a photo of a modern kris and gunong that I purchased in Davao City last year. While not as nice as the examples you provided, you will notice some similarities in the details. May I request for a close up of the kris blade in your first picture (post #1)? I think it looks interesting. I hope this comment is helpful. Fernando Last edited by F. de Luzon; 10th June 2017 at 04:02 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 | |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,249
|
![]() Quote:
None of your examples is traditional, old Moro style - the shapes are rather flowery and the ukkil/okir motifs tend to be off. When you give these examples to the Indonesian carvers, they don't understand the Moro motifs and add another layer of confusion including even more flowery artistic expression. It is possible to see what example they tried to emulate but the result is just way off. IMNSHO that is... ![]() Regards, Kai |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 127
|
![]()
Additionally, I also attach pictures of the original designs that inspired the new sarung for the Pseudo-Moro Khukri. Are these authentic traditional Moro designs and motifs, or a more recent artistic expression?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,249
|
![]() Quote:
The MOP scabbard tip is a later development (approx. mid-20th century) and again this rather gaudy motif got changed by the Indo carvers and now looks even more flowery and the MOP also got dropped... While the fittings of this pseudo Khukuri are IMHO the best effort, it is blatantly obvious, that these are not genuine Moro style, especially nothing remotely approaching traditional styles, sorry. Regards, Kai |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Vikingsword Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,144
|
![]()
Hi Alexish:
Several people have noted that these are not decorated in the traditional Moro manner. However, I like the carving. Although somewhat "over-embellished" on a couple, at least for my taste, I can appreciate the skill that goes into these carvings and the finish that has been applied to the various woods. While some of them are Moro-like objects, they would not pass for items from the original culture. I think many people noticed quickly that these were of Indonesian style and manufacture. An interesting interpretation of the original forms—art craft. Thanks for showing us these pieces. Ian. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|