Khayber

mahratt · 5th March 2011, 04:48 AM

This interesting Khyber has long been bought at Artzi. What can you say about it? Clearly, it is not typical for Afghanistan. What do you think, where it was made? And that written on it?

Sorry for my english.

mahratt · 6th March 2011, 04:00 PM

Any opinions on this?

ALEX · 7th March 2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

....Clearly, it is not typical for Afghanistan. What do you think, where it was made?...

Mahratt, the chasing has some strong Indian influence, but why are you ruling Afganistan out? It still does fit Afghani profile.

mahratt · 7th March 2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Mahratt, the chasing has some strong Indian influence, but why are you ruling Afganistan out? It still does fit Afghani profile.

In my very personal opinion the shape of the blade is 100% afghan. But the hilt and scabbards parts are not common for
Afghanistan. I'm very interested to hear any ideas from you where it could be done (if in India in which region)? As well
it's not in afghan traditions to make a tugra on the blade (by the way could you be so kind to give me an idea about what
does this inscription means).
Looking forward to hear from you

Jens Nordlunde · 7th March 2011, 10:42 PM

What did Oriental Arms write about it?

mahratt · 8th March 2011, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

What did Oriental Arms write about it?

The blade of this Khyber sword is marked with gold inlay (Dot inlay) stamp with a maker sign and the date 1220 (1805 in the Gregorian Calendar). Blade length 23 inches. The handle as well as the scabbard fittings are made of beautifully chased copper, with traces of old gilding. Original leather cover of the scabbard. Total length 30 1/2 inches. Very good plus condition.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2788

Dom · 9th March 2011, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

The blade of this Khyber sword is marked with gold inlay (Dot inlay) stamp with a maker sign and the date 1220 (1805 in the Gregorian Calendar).
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2788

Hi "mahratt"
with the risk to temperate your pleasure

I have some comments about the digits translation's

- if they is no doubt about the digit 1 (one) and 3 (three)
- I'm curious to know where have been read the digit 0 (zero) ??

- the fourth digit, if it's a digit, might be (under reserve) 4 (four)

according with me, I thought that it's a (rudimentary) "magic square" and not a datation

a name has been translated; AL GUERI, name without meaning

sorry to be touchy, but I like the precision

all the best

à +

Dom

*******************************

I MUST CORRECT my post on above, I'm WRONG

I found strange that "Artzi" could provide some precision
(I respect their real professionalism) without basic

I examined more acutely the picture ... and I found the date

hope so that "Artzi" will accept my apologizes

with my best regards
Dom

Jens Nordlunde · 13th March 2011, 11:11 PM

I am not quite sure what you want me to answer to - please be more specific.
Jens

ALEX · 14th March 2011, 01:10 PM

Jens, I think Mahratt wanted an opinion on where this Khyber was produced, i.e. its origin. It has Indian and Afghani features, and it'd be safe to say it is Indo-Afghani:-) Also, the cartouche type is not uncommon for these regions.
Mahratt, it cannot be called "tughra" by the way. "tughra" is exclusively Ottoman mark.

Jens Nordlunde · 14th March 2011, 02:19 PM

Hi Mahratt,
Alex thanks for the clarifying. I am with you when it comes to the Indian-Afghani origin, and I am with Dom when it comes to the square, as I too think it may be some kind of magic square.
The dot marking is seen now and again, but not so often.
Jens

mahratt · 19th March 2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Hi Mahratt,
Alex thanks for the clarifying. I am with you when it comes to the Indian-Afghani origin, and I am with Dom when it comes to the square, as I too think it may be some kind of magic square.
The dot marking is seen now and again, but not so often.
Jens

Thank you very much to all!

5th March 2011, 04:48 AM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Khayber This interesting Khyber has long been bought at Artzi. What can you say about it? Clearly, it is not typical for Afghanistan. What do you think, where it was made? And that written on it? Sorry for my english. Last edited by mahratt; 5th March 2011 at 10:21 PM.

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mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Any opinions on this?

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Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	What did Oriental Arms write about it?

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Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am not quite sure what you want me to answer to - please be more specific. Jens

14th March 2011, 01:10 PM	#9
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Jens, I think Mahratt wanted an opinion on where this Khyber was produced, i.e. its origin. It has Indian and Afghani features, and it'd be safe to say it is Indo-Afghani:-) Also, the cartouche type is not uncommon for these regions. Mahratt, it cannot be called "tughra" by the way. "tughra" is exclusively Ottoman mark.

14th March 2011, 02:19 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Mahratt, Alex thanks for the clarifying. I am with you when it comes to the Indian-Afghani origin, and I am with Dom when it comes to the square, as I too think it may be some kind of magic square. The dot marking is seen now and again, but not so often. Jens