PI Kris for ID and Comments

moose · 1st March 2005, 09:19 PM

Been lurking for over a year. Thought I would post some photos and go through my collection one by one and see what I can learn about them.

This is my first kris. I bought it somewhere around 1980 or a little later.
Spotted it in a bucket of canes and umbrellas at the mall. It was visiting antique dealer day.

I'd like to know everything you could tell me about it. All comments welcome.
I've got my thoughts but want to here from you folks. Please be detailed if you will.

Thanks,
moose

Tim Simmons · 1st March 2005, 10:18 PM

Looks rather nice to me.

Rick · 2nd March 2005, 03:51 AM

I'd say that this is an older blade but I'm not quite certain .
By Catos book this would be of Mindanao origin .
The gangya seems to have been broken and re-shaped .
The dress is fairly new except for the cockatua which appears to be of old marine ivory .
The asang asang/s are missing and were most likely not included in the remount .

Ian · 2nd March 2005, 04:18 AM

Agree with Rick. 20th C. remount in the Maranao style of an older blade that has part of its gangya missing and no asang asang. Old small kakatua. Scabbard is 20th C. also.

moose · 4th March 2005, 01:31 AM

Ok,
Thanks for those thoughts. Here's a picture of the design in the end , down by the point.

Do these represent a trident? Supposedly to protect the owner??

How about some of you other Moro guys? Chip in if you would please.

moose

moose · 4th March 2005, 09:52 PM

I have another kris I wanted to post for comments and Id. Should I post it here or should I start a new thread??

Forumites suggestions?

moose

Bill · 9th March 2005, 09:16 PM

Moose, I guess its up to you about the hilt. My guess is the hilt you just posted was made after 1960. Traditionally the hilts would be upgraded. To me the first kris seems odd, old blade, old kakatua, & then the rest is likely 30 years old or so. To me, a hundred year + blade should keep to the of 1930 or older dress. Think its what you feel is good, as long as nothing gets damaged, you can change it again later.

Spunjer · 9th March 2005, 11:11 PM

moose 49017?

the blade will definitely match that puhan more than the one i, err, the seller added with the blade. you should get it by tomorrow or friday at the latest

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here's a weird one: when i first acquired that blade, i placed it in the oven just to warm it up so i can strip it with whatever oil or grease it has on. when i took it out a very strong scent of coconut product was coming out where the gangya and the blade connects. why would that be?

Bill · 10th March 2005, 12:15 AM

Spunjer, You cooked the Jen!

Spunjer · 10th March 2005, 12:46 AM

LOL! i hope not!

...aren't they suppose to be invincible anyways?

moose · 10th March 2005, 05:56 PM

"moose 49017?

"

Spunjer,
I went back and took a look. Brazilian Ju Jitsu Fan.....

brazjitsfan...I get it now!

Looking forward to seeing what I got.

Now we both know.

moose

1st March 2005, 09:19 PM	#1
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	PI Kris for ID and Comments Been lurking for over a year. Thought I would post some photos and go through my collection one by one and see what I can learn about them. This is my first kris. I bought it somewhere around 1980 or a little later. Spotted it in a bucket of canes and umbrellas at the mall. It was visiting antique dealer day. I'd like to know everything you could tell me about it. All comments welcome. I've got my thoughts but want to here from you folks. Please be detailed if you will. Thanks, moose Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 03:51 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Observations I'd say that this is an older blade but I'm not quite certain . By Catos book this would be of Mindanao origin . The gangya seems to have been broken and re-shaped . The dress is fairly new except for the cockatua which appears to be of old marine ivory . The asang asang/s are missing and were most likely not included in the remount .

4th March 2005, 01:31 AM	#5
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Ok, Thanks for those thoughts. Here's a picture of the design in the end , down by the point. Do these represent a trident? Supposedly to protect the owner?? How about some of you other Moro guys? Chip in if you would please. moose Attached Images

10th March 2005, 05:56 PM	#11
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Ah! now it's getting clearer. "moose 49017? " Spunjer, I went back and took a look. Brazilian Ju Jitsu Fan..... brazjitsfan...I get it now! Looking forward to seeing what I got. Now we both know. moose

1st March 2005, 10:18 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Looks rather nice to me.

2nd March 2005, 04:18 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Agree with Rick. 20th C. remount in the Maranao style of an older blade that has part of its gangya missing and no asang asang. Old small kakatua. Scabbard is 20th C. also.

4th March 2005, 09:52 PM	#6
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	I have another kris I wanted to post for comments and Id. Should I post it here or should I start a new thread?? Forumites suggestions? moose

9th March 2005, 09:16 PM	#7
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Moose, I guess its up to you about the hilt. My guess is the hilt you just posted was made after 1960. Traditionally the hilts would be upgraded. To me the first kris seems odd, old blade, old kakatua, & then the rest is likely 30 years old or so. To me, a hundred year + blade should keep to the of 1930 or older dress. Think its what you feel is good, as long as nothing gets damaged, you can change it again later.

9th March 2005, 11:11 PM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	moose 49017? the blade will definitely match that puhan more than the one i, err, the seller added with the blade. you should get it by tomorrow or friday at the latest . here's a weird one: when i first acquired that blade, i placed it in the oven just to warm it up so i can strip it with whatever oil or grease it has on. when i took it out a very strong scent of coconut product was coming out where the gangya and the blade connects. why would that be?

10th March 2005, 12:15 AM	#9
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Spunjer, You cooked the Jen!

10th March 2005, 12:46 AM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	LOL! i hope not! ...aren't they suppose to be invincible anyways?