Is This a MORO SWORD ???

mykeris · 15th August 2005, 07:55 AM

Just checking with you guys, length of blade Ganja to tip 56 cm Ganja 11cm.
Thick laminated blade, razor sharp. Condition heavily used. Position of Sword: Condong (Slanting). No traces of baca-baca. Could it possible be a Moro or Javanese sword (High gandik: Kebo Lanjer???? )
TQ for your views.

nechesh · 15th August 2005, 04:14 PM

Well, it's certainly not Moro and i don't think it's Javanese either. You might want to look to the Peninsula for this one. Is there a sheath? That might hold some clues.The hilt looks more like the type of kakatu hilts i've seen on peninsula sundangs, but the blade profile seems rather unusual for that type of sword.

Mark · 15th August 2005, 04:21 PM

I think I see the marks of those band-thingies one sees on Moro kris (is asang-asang the term?).

mykeris · 15th August 2005, 05:19 PM

The owner did not make the scabbard. The hilt was made 5 yrs ago ( a lower quality)just simply copying the look of ordinary Sundang hilt. Originally, it was only the blade, the blade left by owner`s long time gone ancestors, being kept sacredly for years and years. Nobody knew about its origin. This sword had been taken to a few Malay keris collectors for verification but every body seemed to confuse themselves. Due to this reason, the owner has granted permission for this sword to be posted to the forum, seeking professional views from international sword enthusiasts. Owner`s ancestors origin: Borneo.

Bill · 15th August 2005, 09:02 PM

blade doesn't really strike me as being very old

Battara · 15th August 2005, 11:13 PM

Doesn't look Moro to me.

DIYAR · 18th August 2005, 07:06 PM

I am with you Rick. I abhor conflicts. I am calling from the mountains
to join this forum and my palm computer handicaps me a lot, not
until I get myself to town when I can write you in length.
I am of Bugis-Sulu origin, older than you people I think and my
ancestors forged
many swords and krises at the time of Bugis-At War-Prosper. BTW
I dont think,I need to answer all your questios at this point unless
you really dont have basics. Please use these to evaluate until finally
you reach your own logics. The air is getting colder over here, have
a nice day. Always observe through your THIRD EYE !
Regards, DENDIYAR

Spunjer · 18th August 2005, 09:11 PM

would love to hear your stories, DIYAR ...

nechesh · 18th August 2005, 11:35 PM

Hi DIYAR. Well i don't know what i missed, but i'm probably the better off for it.

Honestly, there was no hostile intent or call for conflict in my post, it was just 6am in the morning and i was trying to get off some questions quickly before i headed out to work, hoping i'd find some answers when i returned. Sorry if it caused a stir.

BTW, i DO believe that i at least "have the basics", but would still appreciate it if you did address all my questions when you find the time. I think they are all valid.

I, too, would love to hear your stories.

mykeris · 19th August 2005, 06:19 AM

Thank you for all views posted. After reading all views, I have taken a decision that this is a Bugis Sundang, and will advise the owner to make a Bugis scabbard and hilt for it. Thanks again.

kai · 19th August 2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykeris

... and will advise the owner to make a Bugis scabbard and hilt for it.

Hi, Could you please ask the owner for permission to post pics of the finished piece? I'd love to see it and I guess this nice piece won't be accessible to the interested public again anytime soon... Thanks a lot!

BTW, which part(s) of Borneo do the owner's ancestors come from and what are their ethnic roots? (That's a vast and diverse area and any details might be of academic interest as far as this sword is concerned!)

Regards,
Kai

15th August 2005, 07:55 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Is This a MORO SWORD ??? Just checking with you guys, length of blade Ganja to tip 56 cm Ganja 11cm. Thick laminated blade, razor sharp. Condition heavily used. Position of Sword: Condong (Slanting). No traces of baca-baca. Could it possible be a Moro or Javanese sword (High gandik: Kebo Lanjer???? ) TQ for your views. Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 15th August 2005 at 10:07 AM.

15th August 2005, 04:14 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Well, it's certainly not Moro and i don't think it's Javanese either. You might want to look to the Peninsula for this one. Is there a sheath? That might hold some clues.The hilt looks more like the type of kakatu hilts i've seen on peninsula sundangs, but the blade profile seems rather unusual for that type of sword.

15th August 2005, 04:21 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I think I see the marks of those band-thingies one sees on Moro kris (is asang-asang the term?).

15th August 2005, 05:19 PM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	The owner did not make the scabbard. The hilt was made 5 yrs ago ( a lower quality)just simply copying the look of ordinary Sundang hilt. Originally, it was only the blade, the blade left by owner`s long time gone ancestors, being kept sacredly for years and years. Nobody knew about its origin. This sword had been taken to a few Malay keris collectors for verification but every body seemed to confuse themselves. Due to this reason, the owner has granted permission for this sword to be posted to the forum, seeking professional views from international sword enthusiasts. Owner`s ancestors origin: Borneo.

15th August 2005, 09:02 PM	#5
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	blade doesn't really strike me as being very old

15th August 2005, 11:13 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Doesn't look Moro to me.

18th August 2005, 07:06 PM	#7
DIYAR Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2	I am with you Rick. I abhor conflicts. I am calling from the mountains to join this forum and my palm computer handicaps me a lot, not until I get myself to town when I can write you in length. I am of Bugis-Sulu origin, older than you people I think and my ancestors forged many swords and krises at the time of Bugis-At War-Prosper. BTW I dont think,I need to answer all your questios at this point unless you really dont have basics. Please use these to evaluate until finally you reach your own logics. The air is getting colder over here, have a nice day. Always observe through your THIRD EYE ! Regards, DENDIYAR

18th August 2005, 09:11 PM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	would love to hear your stories, DIYAR ...

18th August 2005, 11:35 PM	#9
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi DIYAR. Well i don't know what i missed, but i'm probably the better off for it. Honestly, there was no hostile intent or call for conflict in my post, it was just 6am in the morning and i was trying to get off some questions quickly before i headed out to work, hoping i'd find some answers when i returned. Sorry if it caused a stir. BTW, i DO believe that i at least "have the basics", but would still appreciate it if you did address all my questions when you find the time. I think they are all valid. I, too, would love to hear your stories.

19th August 2005, 06:19 AM	#10
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thank you for all views posted. After reading all views, I have taken a decision that this is a Bugis Sundang, and will advise the owner to make a Bugis scabbard and hilt for it. Thanks again.