Mahdist Spears ?

drac2k · 18th June 2021, 07:13 PM

Two nice spears that I believe to be Mahdist spears.

Edster · 18th June 2021, 10:18 PM

drac2k,

The spear on the right looks to me like the Mahdist Era style. I have one similar. Photo highlights on yours suggests that one side is slightly concave while the flipped over the other side is concaved as well. This feature allows a slight raised edge part to provide a surface for a sharpened edge.

This alternative concave arrangement suggests to me that both our spears were stamped from sheet steel and formed in a die in a factory setting. In neither item I don't notice hammer marks that would suggest forged products. Gordon assembled a first rate machine shop in Khartoum that was moved to Omdurman and used by the Khalifa's craftsmen to make weapons. Also, I've heard elsewhere that weapons were made in England and sold to Sudan via Egypt.

The skinny blade looks like a shade-tree smith's work for a fishing spear. It could have been made anytime. I have a similar one from 1986. Yours looks modern as the points look unused.

Best regards,
Ed

Edster · 19th June 2021, 03:16 AM

Here's my spear. Note the concave left half and narrow surface to sharpen. Very similar to yours right side to my eye.

Ed

drac2k · 19th June 2021, 04:57 AM

Edster,
Thank you for your very informative reply. Does your Mahdist spear have a bamboo haft? It is very light & it must have been meant for throwing as opposed to another spear that I have of the same configuration, but much larger & heavier, probably used by the infantry.
I am not familiar with the term "Shade Tree Smith;" I'm guessing that it means that it was hand forged by some local village blacksmith. Is that spear African and if so from what area; I can see where it would be effective in spearing fish.

Edster · 19th June 2021, 02:28 PM

A Shade Tree Smith is a takeoff on a probably rural Southern US term for a Shade Tree Mechanic who would work on cars, rebuild engines, etc. under the shade of a household tree or other crude shelter rather than have a more formal covered shop with doors, etc. They were competent in a limited range of activities, but their tools were limited as well. Yes, a village smith.

I recall that the spear shaft was of a bamboo-type grass, but solid, not like the typical SE Asia bamboo basically hollow core sections separated by nodes. It's about the only material there that grows long enough, round enough and straight enough to make a spear shaft.

There are several small rivers in Eastern Sudan that drain from the Ethiopian highlands into the two Niles. I got my fishing/hunting/self defence spears in Sennar on the Blue Nile by the bus departure location, likely locally made. There was probably a centralized smithy that specialized in spears and put them out to itinerant sellers who peddled them at area gathering places and markets. The sword & knife makers of Kassala use the same process to retail their products.

Ed

drac2k · 19th June 2021, 02:55 PM

Once again thanks for the information & the insight; too often I concentrate on the form of the spearhead, but fail to consider the material of the shaft when trying to determine its origin.

18th June 2021, 07:13 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Mahdist Spears ? Two nice spears that I believe to be Mahdist spears. Attached Images

19th June 2021, 03:16 AM	#3
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	Here's my spear. Note the concave left half and narrow surface to sharpen. Very similar to yours right side to my eye. Ed Attached Images

18th June 2021, 10:18 PM	#2
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	drac2k, The spear on the right looks to me like the Mahdist Era style. I have one similar. Photo highlights on yours suggests that one side is slightly concave while the flipped over the other side is concaved as well. This feature allows a slight raised edge part to provide a surface for a sharpened edge. This alternative concave arrangement suggests to me that both our spears were stamped from sheet steel and formed in a die in a factory setting. In neither item I don't notice hammer marks that would suggest forged products. Gordon assembled a first rate machine shop in Khartoum that was moved to Omdurman and used by the Khalifa's craftsmen to make weapons. Also, I've heard elsewhere that weapons were made in England and sold to Sudan via Egypt. The skinny blade looks like a shade-tree smith's work for a fishing spear. It could have been made anytime. I have a similar one from 1986. Yours looks modern as the points look unused. Best regards, Ed

19th June 2021, 04:57 AM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Edster, Thank you for your very informative reply. Does your Mahdist spear have a bamboo haft? It is very light & it must have been meant for throwing as opposed to another spear that I have of the same configuration, but much larger & heavier, probably used by the infantry. I am not familiar with the term "Shade Tree Smith;" I'm guessing that it means that it was hand forged by some local village blacksmith. Is that spear African and if so from what area; I can see where it would be effective in spearing fish.

19th June 2021, 02:28 PM	#5
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	A Shade Tree Smith is a takeoff on a probably rural Southern US term for a Shade Tree Mechanic who would work on cars, rebuild engines, etc. under the shade of a household tree or other crude shelter rather than have a more formal covered shop with doors, etc. They were competent in a limited range of activities, but their tools were limited as well. Yes, a village smith. I recall that the spear shaft was of a bamboo-type grass, but solid, not like the typical SE Asia bamboo basically hollow core sections separated by nodes. It's about the only material there that grows long enough, round enough and straight enough to make a spear shaft. There are several small rivers in Eastern Sudan that drain from the Ethiopian highlands into the two Niles. I got my fishing/hunting/self defence spears in Sennar on the Blue Nile by the bus departure location, likely locally made. There was probably a centralized smithy that specialized in spears and put them out to itinerant sellers who peddled them at area gathering places and markets. The sword & knife makers of Kassala use the same process to retail their products. Ed

19th June 2021, 02:55 PM	#6
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Once again thanks for the information & the insight; too often I concentrate on the form of the spearhead, but fail to consider the material of the shaft when trying to determine its origin.