PARANG PANDIT

Dajak · 3rd April 2006, 06:23 AM

According to Stone A Seadyak sword

VVV · 3rd April 2006, 08:04 AM

Very nice Pandat Dajak!

I think Stone attributed a bit to much to Sea Dayaks.
As you know he also thought that the Kampilan originally was a Sea Dayak weapon.
Have you noticed that most of Stone's Indonesian sword and dagger pictures are copied directly from the Leiden catalogues (f.i. Fischer's on Sumatra)?

Michael

Dajak · 3rd April 2006, 09:45 PM

Hi Michael this is true but don t forget that this one is from north west Sarawak those people lived very close to the Iban .

The Design on the scabbard is Iban no land dyak

VVV · 3rd April 2006, 10:22 PM

Hi Dajak,

I must admit I haven't studied Iban design overall enough to analyse your scabbard motives.
But I think I can find a similar scabbard pattern on one of my Pandat below.
According to Shelford's classification both of our Pandat are Sidin Land Dayak
(please correct me if I am mistaken on this?).
Could it be that the Land Dayaks were either inspired by the Iban patterns or that they share resembling motives?
This based on your argument that some of the Iban are neighbours to the Land Dayaks?

Michael

Dajak · 4th April 2006, 10:55 PM

Hi Michael the problem with these things is that who did have first the pandit
the Ibans or the land dayaks .

If You have the book basic Iban design you can find it in there the design that is on the scabbard

The problem with these things is that the pandats mostly very old and difficult trace back off the origin off the sword but it is more likely that this type off pandat has the origin by the Ibans .

They where the mostly headhunters off al the dayaks are from borneo ,
It was never used as an tool only for head hunting.

If anyone have pics from people with pandats like them to see.

By the way very nice pandat

VVV · 4th April 2006, 11:42 PM

Hi Dajak,

Yes, I have that book as well as the new Iban Art book.
I had a look in them both, as well as couple of other general Dayak design books, but the only Iban resembling pattern on your scabbard I could find was variations of the general leaf pattern.
This is a pattern variation that also is found among several other tribes.
I specifically looked for the "fish" symbol on your scabbard but couldn't find it anywhere as Iban.
I also tried to find the diagonal checkered pattern in the Iban design books.
Please give me some hints on where to look?
I haven't seen any proof that the Pandat has been used by the Ibans after late 19th C. Do you agree?
If Pandat originally was an Iban Parang, why did they then stop using it and why did the Land Dayaks take over it?
And why did the old field researchers only attribute it to the Land Dayaks?
But I guess that Stone got it from some old source that I missed?
Do you know which?

Michael

3rd April 2006, 06:23 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	PARANG PANDIT According to Stone A Seadyak sword Attached Images

3rd April 2006, 10:22 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Dajak, I must admit I haven't studied Iban design overall enough to analyse your scabbard motives. But I think I can find a similar scabbard pattern on one of my Pandat below. According to Shelford's classification both of our Pandat are Sidin Land Dayak (please correct me if I am mistaken on this?). Could it be that the Land Dayaks were either inspired by the Iban patterns or that they share resembling motives? This based on your argument that some of the Iban are neighbours to the Land Dayaks? Michael Attached Images

3rd April 2006, 08:04 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Very nice Pandat Dajak! I think Stone attributed a bit to much to Sea Dayaks. As you know he also thought that the Kampilan originally was a Sea Dayak weapon. Have you noticed that most of Stone's Indonesian sword and dagger pictures are copied directly from the Leiden catalogues (f.i. Fischer's on Sumatra)? Michael

3rd April 2006, 09:45 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael this is true but don t forget that this one is from north west Sarawak those people lived very close to the Iban . The Design on the scabbard is Iban no land dyak

4th April 2006, 10:55 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael the problem with these things is that who did have first the pandit the Ibans or the land dayaks . If You have the book basic Iban design you can find it in there the design that is on the scabbard The problem with these things is that the pandats mostly very old and difficult trace back off the origin off the sword but it is more likely that this type off pandat has the origin by the Ibans . They where the mostly headhunters off al the dayaks are from borneo , It was never used as an tool only for head hunting. If anyone have pics from people with pandats like them to see. By the way very nice pandat

4th April 2006, 11:42 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Dajak, Yes, I have that book as well as the new Iban Art book. I had a look in them both, as well as couple of other general Dayak design books, but the only Iban resembling pattern on your scabbard I could find was variations of the general leaf pattern. This is a pattern variation that also is found among several other tribes. I specifically looked for the "fish" symbol on your scabbard but couldn't find it anywhere as Iban. I also tried to find the diagonal checkered pattern in the Iban design books. Please give me some hints on where to look? I haven't seen any proof that the Pandat has been used by the Ibans after late 19th C. Do you agree? If Pandat originally was an Iban Parang, why did they then stop using it and why did the Land Dayaks take over it? And why did the old field researchers only attribute it to the Land Dayaks? But I guess that Stone got it from some old source that I missed? Do you know which? Michael