Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Keris Warung Kopi
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 23rd March 2022, 11:36 AM   #1
milandro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 475
Default metal or fiber wraps on a kris gandar

Sometimes I see krises ( especially Bugis style) which gandar has had a “ wrap” either made of metal wire or fiber ( Cotton or Hemp maybe). I particularly like this look and prefer it to some metal decoration on the kris.

I was wondering if anyone of the members has tried to add this or restore a kris which featured this and lost it.

Of course there are those who want to preserve the “ original looks” cost what costs but others may have a different stance to this “ problem” and actually believe that the external attribute to the kris are all subject to deterioration which implies that they can be, in time, changed. I find that a new hilt or mendak can be changed and so can any other parts of a kris. You may have a different idea, but to each his or her own.
milandro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2022, 10:49 AM   #2
milandro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 475
Default

just to be clear about what I asking, I refer to this kind of “ wrap”.

there are many situations in which one would want to make such a wrap. After all even in the country of origins Krises are subject to repair and even updating with parts such as the sarong, the mendak, the hilts....



(disclaimer: pictures are from internet they belong to now closed auctions , the krises are not mine nor am i the maker of these pictures)



milandro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2022, 04:06 PM   #3
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,123
Default

Milandro, you are showing two completely different kinds of wrapping that serve very different practical or cultural purposes.
The top photo is an example of a type of wrapping that i can only assume is used to protect the sheath stem from wear. I have a couple of examples of this kind of thing in my own collection, both on Bugis style keris. Often this type of binding occurs on gandar that are made in two pieces so it seems it likely serves the function of holding the two halves together.
The second wrapping you show is known as Passio Sumange or Toli Toli. There does seem to be more to this wrap than simple practical purpose, though it may have begun as that. But there is some debate as to the real or original purpose for this. Often this simple string wrap is replaced by fancier loops made of precious metals and studded with gemstones.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=loop+keris

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=loop+keris
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2022, 04:12 PM   #4
milandro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 475
Default

Thanks David, very nice.
milandro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2022, 06:44 PM   #5
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,123
Default

This is my favourite keris with a wrapped sheath stem. It is, as you can see, obviously in the family of Bugis influence, though i can't say for certain that only Bugis keris have used this wrap style.
Attached Images
 
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th March 2022, 10:03 AM   #6
milandro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 475
Default

yes it is very beautiful and I was precisely wondering how to add such a wrap to the sheath? Has anyone done it?
milandro is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.