Help with some French swords

Chiburi67 · 22nd October 2024, 04:54 AM

Hello. I’m trying to get some information on these two military French swords. I figured this would be a great place to start. I’m also trying to do some internet searching on my own. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Interested Party · 22nd October 2024, 04:50 PM

A picture of the entire sword would be helpful. Also you might get more detailed information if you split them into two threads.

Chiburi67 · 22nd October 2024, 05:02 PM

Yes I know. Was pressed for time and wanted to at least get something posted. These were quick photos I was able to take of the inscriptions and guards. I’ll post full pictures when I get home from work. I know some knowledgeable people here can decipher the writing/markings.

Chiburi67 · 22nd October 2024, 06:29 PM

I’ll give that a try this evening.

David R · 22nd October 2024, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested Party

A picture of the entire sword would be helpful. Also you might get more detailed information if you split them into two threads.

Agreed!

CutlassCollector · 22nd October 2024, 09:14 PM

Klingenthal was a major French government arsenal which was run by the
Coulaux brothers who oversaw the business. The letter stamps indicate the name of the inspectors and directors at the time and are useful for dating to within a narrow range.
Under the 1810 and 1823 government contracts Coulaux were only permitted to add their name to weapons produced for the commercial market.

After 1836 production for government contracts was wholly moved to Chatellerault while Klingenthal continued to produce tools and weapons for private purchase and it remained in the ownership of the Coulaux family until 1962 when it finally closed.

Chiburi67 · 23rd October 2024, 12:29 AM

Additional pictures

ulfberth · 28th October 2024, 08:48 PM

these are French lower officers swords model 1852, the one with the eagle on the guard plate refers the the French second Empire under Napoleon III .

22nd October 2024, 04:54 AM	#1
Chiburi67 Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: NYC Posts: 5	Help with some French swords Hello. I’m trying to get some information on these two military French swords. I figured this would be a great place to start. I’m also trying to do some internet searching on my own. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Attached Images

22nd October 2024, 04:50 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 467	A picture of the entire sword would be helpful. Also you might get more detailed information if you split them into two threads. Last edited by Interested Party; 22nd October 2024 at 06:22 PM.

23rd October 2024, 12:29 AM	#7
Chiburi67 Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: NYC Posts: 5	Added photos French swords Additional pictures Attached Images Last edited by Chiburi67; 23rd October 2024 at 02:09 AM. Reason: Add pics

22nd October 2024, 05:02 PM	#3
Chiburi67 Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: NYC Posts: 5	Yes I know. Was pressed for time and wanted to at least get something posted. These were quick photos I was able to take of the inscriptions and guards. I’ll post full pictures when I get home from work. I know some knowledgeable people here can decipher the writing/markings.

22nd October 2024, 06:29 PM	#4
Chiburi67 Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: NYC Posts: 5	I’ll give that a try this evening.

22nd October 2024, 09:14 PM	#6
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 330	Klingenthal was a major French government arsenal which was run by the Coulaux brothers who oversaw the business. The letter stamps indicate the name of the inspectors and directors at the time and are useful for dating to within a narrow range. Under the 1810 and 1823 government contracts Coulaux were only permitted to add their name to weapons produced for the commercial market. After 1836 production for government contracts was wholly moved to Chatellerault while Klingenthal continued to produce tools and weapons for private purchase and it remained in the ownership of the Coulaux family until 1962 when it finally closed.

28th October 2024, 08:48 PM	#8
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	these are French lower officers swords model 1852, the one with the eagle on the guard plate refers the the French second Empire under Napoleon III .