Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 6th January 2012, 12:09 PM   #1
thinreadline
Member
 
thinreadline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
Default 'military' KUKRI for comment

This is a kukri I bought from a family who claimed it had belonged to the father who had served in Burma in WW2 . Whilst the khaki cloth scabbard cover certainly loooks military and the size and weight of the weapon make it a formidable weapon , it does not conform to any of the official military patterns . It has the number 445 stamped on the blade but no other markings. Its weight without scabbard is 520 g , and its total length over the curve is 42 cm with the greatest width of the blade being 5 cm.
Attached Images
   
thinreadline is offline  
Old 6th January 2012, 06:56 PM   #2
spiral
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,712
Default

Nice kukri,

Could be a private purchase, or A unit purchased piece, possibly even unit manufactured. {usualy at Battalion level.} Could be ww2 or earlier kukri with a ww2 scabbard..

To be more certain, can you do a good close ups of the numbers & also a photo of the small knives as well please.

Spiral
spiral is offline  
Old 6th January 2012, 07:53 PM   #3
thinreadline
Member
 
thinreadline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spiral
Nice kukri,

Could be a private purchase, or A unit purchased piece, possibly even unit manufactured. {usualy at Battalion level.} Could be ww2 or earlier kukri with a ww2 scabbard..

To be more certain, can you do a good close ups of the numbers & also a photo of the small knives as well please.

Spiral

Thanks Spiral .. thats interesting . Pic of the small knives as requested... just cant get a decent pic of the numbers in close up sorry.
Attached Images
 
thinreadline is offline  
Old 6th January 2012, 09:58 PM   #4
sirupate
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: England
Posts: 373
Default

Hello Thinreadline,

Quote:
TRL;official military patterns
I believe you are talking about the Mk issued kukri?
All I.A., Regimental or Battalion issue kukri are 'Official' kukri.
Your rather nice find is a typical regimental issue kukri, post 1919, pre 1919 battalions would often have their own kukri made.
After 1919 due to re-organisation they would be regimental issue, and when times required due to an influx of recruits due to the WW's for example I.A. kukri which includes Mk issue were distributed as needs arose (sometimes Battalions opted for Mk issue).
The kind of scabbard the kukri is in, was in use both pre and during WW2, one thing for sure is that it is genuine!! Cheers Simon
PS If the person that owned it was not in the Gurkhas, he could have acquired it off a Gurkha, not unknown!!
sirupate is offline  
Old 6th January 2012, 10:04 PM   #5
thinreadline
Member
 
thinreadline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirupate
Hello Thinreadline,

I believe you are talking about the Mk issued kukri?
All I.A., Regimental or Battalion issue kukri are 'Official' kukri.
Your rather nice find is a typical regimental issue kukri, post 1919, pre 1919 battalions would often have their own kukri made.
After 1919 due to re-organisation they would be regimental issue, and when times required due to an influx of recruits due to the WW's for example I.A. kukri which includes Mk issue were distributed as needs arose (sometimes Battalions opted for Mk issue).
The kind of scabbard the kukri is in, was in use both pre and during WW2, one thing for sure is that it is genuine!! Cheers Simon
PS If the person that owned it was not in the Gurkhas, he could have acquired it off a Gurkha, not unknown!!

Thanks Simon .. that is very reassuring , this means that I will keep it ! I am told that the owner was a Chindit in the Duke of Wellingtons Regiment.
Richmond
thinreadline is offline  
Old 7th January 2012, 02:06 AM   #6
spiral
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,712
Default

The small knives are ww2 era, Hard to date kukri more exactlly without bieng able to study the font.

Despite Simons statement ,Some battalions still made or bought thier own kukri during ww2 due to supply difficulities during ww2 with the main pattern kukri.This is well documented.

If the number matches the Duke of Welligntons it was probably private purchase, stamped in the bazzar or kukri factors front shop.Due you have the soldiers surname? ill check his records.

Personaly i expect Gurkha.Kuamon or Garhwall regiment history is more likely.But Ive been mistaken on occasion.

Spiral
spiral is offline  
Old 9th January 2012, 12:46 PM   #7
spiral
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,712
Default

Generaly I ignore Simon Hengle of Tora Replica kukri supplies, as life is to short to waste on such things ,but a request for documentry evidence I do view as legitamate on this occasion.

I wish he would also supply documentry evidence of his statements.

Jonathan Sedwell AKA spiral

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirupate
Your rather nice find is a typical regimental issue kukri, post 1919, pre 1919 battalions would often have their own kukri made.
After 1919 due to re-organisation they would be regimental issue, and when times required due to an influx of recruits due to the WW's for example I.A. kukri which includes Mk issue were distributed as needs arose (sometimes Battalions opted for Mk issue)

To which I stated...

Quote:
Originally Posted by spiral
Despite Simons statement ,Some battalions still made or bought thier own kukri during ww2 due to supply difficulities during ww2 with the main pattern kukri.This is well documented.
Spiral
Hence Simon Hengles request....

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirupate

Proof of documentation please Jonathan.

A legitamate request... quite a reliable source realy.

The Official Regimental history of the 8th Gurkha Rifles.

By Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxford.

Published in 1952 ,


Or a more amusing source.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirupate

The use of outside Manufactures by Battalions was of course pretty common.
FromLinky... {Bottom of second page.}



Jonathan Sedwell AKA spiral

Last edited by spiral; 9th January 2012 at 11:35 PM. Reason: removed point where I hadnt yet offered another possibilty.
spiral is offline  
Old 18th January 2012, 10:09 AM   #8
sirupate
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: England
Posts: 373
Default

Quote:
Generaly I ignore Simon Hengle of Tora Replica kukri supplies,
Thanks for the advert Jonathan

Quote:
Or a more amusing source.
Ah an article from four years ago, re-search still ongoing and views and opinions change.


Quote:
The Official Regimental history of the 8th Gurkha Rifles. By Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxford. Published in 1952
A very rare book, which seems to be your main source, as you have posted scanned pictures of the text you refer to in other books in the past, could you do the same again Jonathan?
sirupate is offline  
Closed Thread


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.