recognize pamor through ganja

David Gallas · 3rd November 2022, 06:00 PM

Hello members, i just received 2 keris from an Uncle and cannot really see the pamor of the keris on the right. At first it looked something like ron genduru or bulu ayam. But when i got this keris last weekend i saw asome pamor on the ganja what is surely not ron genduru.
Now i know that it is possible to recognise pamor on the pamor of the ganja. But i couldn't find any information about this. Is there someone who knows were this ganja pamor looks like?

A. G. Maisey · 3rd November 2022, 11:55 PM

If the gonjo of any keris were to be made with pamor ron duru, or with any other pamor miring for that matter, it would need to be made as a separate forging, and this is not usually the way a gonjo is made.

The normal approach is that we cut the material for the gonjo from the same forging that we carve the body of the blade from. Sometimes this gonjo material is cut before the steel core is inserted, sometimes it is cut after the steel core is inserted.

I think that perhaps the gonjo on your keris had its material cut from the billet after the core had been inserted.

In any case, after that piece of material is cut from the billet it is then forged to shape and the gonjo is carved from that smaller forging, once this is done, the pattern in the gonjo forging no longer looks like the pattern in the blade forging.

David Gallas · 4th November 2022, 08:18 AM

Thank you for your explanation Mr Maisey. Your explanation is as clear as logical as always!

3rd November 2022, 06:00 PM	#1
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	recognize pamor through ganja Hello members, i just received 2 keris from an Uncle and cannot really see the pamor of the keris on the right. At first it looked something like ron genduru or bulu ayam. But when i got this keris last weekend i saw asome pamor on the ganja what is surely not ron genduru. Now i know that it is possible to recognise pamor on the pamor of the ganja. But i couldn't find any information about this. Is there someone who knows were this ganja pamor looks like? Attached Images

3rd November 2022, 11:55 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	If the gonjo of any keris were to be made with pamor ron duru, or with any other pamor miring for that matter, it would need to be made as a separate forging, and this is not usually the way a gonjo is made. The normal approach is that we cut the material for the gonjo from the same forging that we carve the body of the blade from. Sometimes this gonjo material is cut before the steel core is inserted, sometimes it is cut after the steel core is inserted. I think that perhaps the gonjo on your keris had its material cut from the billet after the core had been inserted. In any case, after that piece of material is cut from the billet it is then forged to shape and the gonjo is carved from that smaller forging, once this is done, the pattern in the gonjo forging no longer looks like the pattern in the blade forging.

4th November 2022, 08:18 AM	#3
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	Thank you for your explanation Mr Maisey. Your explanation is as clear as logical as always!