Turkish Dagger Translation Help

TVV · 22nd July 2009, 07:50 PM

I have a huge plea to the members of this forum, who can read Arabic for a translation, which is most likely from Turkish. A friend of mine in Bulgaria recently acquired this dagger, and is wondering if someone can read the inscriptions on the blade and on the scabbard.

Thank you very much in advance,

Teodor

TVV · 22nd July 2009, 10:11 PM

Please disregard the scabbard, which is obviously newly made.
Thank you,
Teodor

TVV · 1st August 2009, 10:10 PM

Here are some more pictures - hoepfully someone can read the inscription or at least let me know that it is illegible.
Also, would anyone venture a guess on origin? Mine is Ottoman, 18th century.

Thank you,
Teodor

Jeff D · 1st August 2009, 11:43 PM

Hi Teodor,

While waiting for the definitive answer, my guess is that it is a Indian version of Asad Allaha Isfahan.

All the best
Jeff

TVV · 2nd August 2009, 12:18 AM

Thank you very much Jeff,
My Ottoman attribution was based on the hilt, made of one piece of walrus ivory, and overzealously cleaned. This of course does not mean that the blade could not be Indian.
My friend tried to do a light etch, but apaprently there was no clear pattern, although I am assuming he has not given up just yet. I did not think of the possibility that the blade may be imported into the Ottoman Empire.
Again, thank you very much for your reply.
Teodor

Jeff D · 2nd August 2009, 07:39 AM

Hi Teodor,

If I am correct (which is very far from certain), you might find a mechanical pattern.

All the Best
Jeff

Dom · 15th August 2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff D

Hi Teodor,

While waiting for the definitive answer, my guess is that it is a Indian version of Asad Allaha Isfahan.

All the best
Jeff

Hi
the general aspect, and indeed the inlay looks "Indian",
but the mentions are in arabic,
on the blade
- in the "cartouche" at right, the Holy name of God "Allah"
- in the "cartouche" at left, the Holy name of the last Prophet "Mohamed"
- under the cartouche, the name of "Abdallah" (may be owner name ?)

on the scabbard;
"Amal Ahmed ???? Hussein"
"Made by Ahmed ???? Hussein"

due to all arabic mentions, doubtful that could be Ottoman, even Persian
dagger

à +

Dom

TVV · 15th August 2009, 08:37 PM

Dom,

Thank you very much! The scabbard is almost brand new, made a knifesmith in Bulgaria, who copied from somwhere - we can not use it for identification.

It seems that the general consensus is that the blade is Indian, with an Ottoman hilt. When it comes to names, such as Allah, Mohammed and Abdallah, is there a difference in the way they are written in Arabic, Turkish or Persian, or are they written in the same manner in all these labguages?

Best regards,
Teodor

22nd July 2009, 07:50 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Turkish Dagger Translation Help I have a huge plea to the members of this forum, who can read Arabic for a translation, which is most likely from Turkish. A friend of mine in Bulgaria recently acquired this dagger, and is wondering if someone can read the inscriptions on the blade and on the scabbard. Thank you very much in advance, Teodor Attached Images

1st August 2009, 10:10 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Here are some more pictures - hoepfully someone can read the inscription or at least let me know that it is illegible. Also, would anyone venture a guess on origin? Mine is Ottoman, 18th century. Thank you, Teodor Attached Images

2nd August 2009, 12:18 AM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Thank you very much Jeff, My Ottoman attribution was based on the hilt, made of one piece of walrus ivory, and overzealously cleaned. This of course does not mean that the blade could not be Indian. My friend tried to do a light etch, but apaprently there was no clear pattern, although I am assuming he has not given up just yet. I did not think of the possibility that the blade may be imported into the Ottoman Empire. Again, thank you very much for your reply. Teodor Attached Images

22nd July 2009, 10:11 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Please disregard the scabbard, which is obviously newly made. Thank you, Teodor

1st August 2009, 11:43 PM	#4
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Teodor, While waiting for the definitive answer, my guess is that it is a Indian version of Asad Allaha Isfahan. All the best Jeff

2nd August 2009, 07:39 AM	#6
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Teodor, If I am correct (which is very far from certain), you might find a mechanical pattern. All the Best Jeff

15th August 2009, 08:37 PM	#8
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Dom, Thank you very much! The scabbard is almost brand new, made a knifesmith in Bulgaria, who copied from somwhere - we can not use it for identification. It seems that the general consensus is that the blade is Indian, with an Ottoman hilt. When it comes to names, such as Allah, Mohammed and Abdallah, is there a difference in the way they are written in Arabic, Turkish or Persian, or are they written in the same manner in all these labguages? Best regards, Teodor