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Well ...
the exhibition lasted for three days, from 20/11/2012 to 23/11/2012 in Museum Mpu Tantular, near my home in Sidoarjo it is said to exhibit more than 600 pieces of tosan aji, as well as 50 blades, which are submitted to the Keris Making competition held in the same museum at 8th May 2012 - Sept 2012. Blades entered the exhibition comes from 11 state museum, member of Mitra Praja Utama, representatives from 38 cities in Java, Museum Keris in TMII, Museum keris in Purworejo, and Keris's lover communities It is sad to see that not many people wanted to see keris anymore ... I came this morning and already half of the display has been dismantled ... only about a third is remaining and can be photographed basically the exhibition consists of 3 venue - the collector's item venue - the result from Keris Making Competition - shops ... (bursa keris) all blades are displayed in glass case with adequate lighting ... too bad I did not bring any magnifying glass with me ... it will surely be nice to see details of pamor and garap on each keris the odd thing is they placed a label on each keris, identifying the dhapur, luks, materials used an pamor ... but no tangguh armed only with phone camera, I took several dozens of pictures ... mostly with what left of the exhibition, several beautiful keris, details of pamor and few pictures of bursa keris - so pardon the image quality I also took several pics as wallpapers ... ![]() anyhow, can someone tell me how to upload 30 - 50 images easily ? now still resizing the images, so it will be easy to look at ... I took more than 150 pics and this forum only allowed 5 pics in each post anyone interested in larger quality image, just ask ... will post it or email it in its original size (no too good quality, though) ![]() Last edited by satsujinken; 23rd November 2012 at 10:20 AM. |
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winner of keris making competition
by M. Jamil from Sumenep Dhapur : Jangkung Pamor : Lar Gangsir Agal luk : 3 |
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2nd and 3rd places
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marketplace !! hahahaa ...
too bad I cannot take a lot of pics, as it is impolite to take pics of people's goods for sale without making any purchase ![]() |
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back to collector's item
Dhapur : Sempana Pamor : pulo tirto meteorite pamor |
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pics pics and pics ...
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When a tangguh is nominated for something, it is very often an opinion, sometimes just about everybody will agree with the opinion, other times nobody except the person who gave the tangguh will ever have heard of it.
Some people interpret tangguh as "style", other people interpret it as "period", or "era". I feel that possibly the organisers of this exhibition were wise to avoid offering information on tangguh. At other exhibitions I have seen very recent keris identified as "Mataram" and Majapahit" & etc. |
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Some of these pamor patterns are nice and tight - I like that!
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there are couple more ... and several random pics ...
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whilst I consider keris as art object and deserved to be preserved for future generations Quote:
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![]() too bad that representatives from Kalimantan (Borneo), Sulawesi and Sumatra already dismantling their exhibit during my visit ... Last edited by satsujinken; 27th November 2012 at 05:17 AM. |
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I don't think that tangguh itself is so confusing, once we understand the indicators and the parameters that must be applied, as well as the founding logic of tangguh, it is not at all confusing, but it is very true that people are often confused by some of the opinions offered.
As I have commented previously, more than once, at the present time everybody wants to stick a tangguh on everything, and this is not at all what the system was originally designed to do. |
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on one occasion, one "expert" from Malang is being shown 5 betok keris and he is told in the beginning of the "game" that from 5 keris presented, 2 are original and 3 are fake ... and he failed to point the original one. I myself have already asked and shared opinions with many person and still thinks that tangguh is somewhat very difficult to discern, a person must have broad knowledge of keris type and characteristics of keris from many areas, possess enough knowledge on metallurgy, have personally handled many many many blades by himself and have direct experience from known master/s to enable himself to provide "non binding" recommendation on how old the blade is and even then he can still made mistakes ![]() so I came to a conclusion that to have more than 80% of success rate on determining the tangguh, we need to dedicate our lives on this subject ![]() lastly, can we use radio carbon dating to date a keris ?? I have read several papers that this method can be used to determine age of carbon steel materials down to acceptable level of accuracy |
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