Spanish Miquelet belt Pistol with hook

Cathey · 10th April 2016, 07:15 AM

Hi Guys

I am looking for some assistance to identify the maker of this pistol. Guns are not our specialty and whilst we think this may be attributed to the Deop family, we are unsure of the letters on the barrel or the symbol underneath. In the below description we have had best guess, sadly at this stage that is all it is. Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated.

Date: Circa 1780?
Dimensions: Overall length 10 ¾” 27.4 cm, Barrel length from breach 6” 15 cm
Marks, etc: H Deop on lock and gold-filled mark "GAB BON ELY" with a crown on Barrel

Description: A Spanish miquelet-lock pistol, H Deop, circa 1780. Two-stage barrel, octagonal then round after a chiselled acanthus frieze and with a cannon muzzle. Smooth 15 bore in 16 mm calibre. Over the breech silver-inlaid ornaments and a gold-filled mark "GAB BON ELY" with a crown . Engraved lock with what appears to be J H Deop, the side plate with a screw-fastened belt hook. Walnut stock with engraved iron furniture. Wooden ramrod with iron tip, total Length 10 ¾” 27.4 cm.

References:
LAVIN James D A History of Spanish Firearms Pp 219-220

Cheers Cathey and Rex

Andreas · 10th April 2016, 10:32 AM

Hello,
I think that is the mark of Pedro CARBONELL (ca 1790) and the other one the town mark of Barcelona.
Andreas

fernando · 10th April 2016, 12:17 PM

Good shot, Andreas,
Gunsmith Per (Pedro) Carbonell is listed in quoted Lavins work, page 258 and lock maker Joseph Deop right in next page.

corrado26 · 10th April 2016, 12:23 PM

I have in my collection a small miquelet pistol which is also made by CABONELL/Barcelona as says the mark on ist barrel. What I have never seen: It has a mark "PEDONEATO"(?)under a crown in recess at the front of the battery. Does anyone know which maker this was?
Many thanks
corrado26

fernando · 10th April 2016, 05:17 PM

Two things to consider, Corrado, if i may

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Firstly, the name attributed is well placed with a ? question mark; some of those letters may be different, like the E being actually a Z and so; although there is no doubt about the P, but any of the few names started by this letter in Lavin's or Gyngell list, can not be the one in your battery.
Secondly, remote but possible, batteries do wear out and may eventually be replaced with a spare one at hand, not necessarily from the smith who made the original lock.
Let's see if Fernando K comes around; he has far larger possibilities to discern what that name is about.

corrado26 · 10th April 2016, 06:21 PM

Quote:

batteries do wear out and may eventually be replaced with a spare one at hand, not necessarily from the smith who made the original lock.

I agree with that totally, but the thickness of this battery is 4,95mm so that a wear out would under normal circumstances be expected in a very far future
corrado26

fernando · 11th April 2016, 05:41 PM

Can't you take a more acurate picture of the battery ?

10th April 2016, 07:15 AM	#1
Cathey Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: adelaide south australia Posts: 282	Spanish Miquelet belt Pistol with hook Hi Guys I am looking for some assistance to identify the maker of this pistol. Guns are not our specialty and whilst we think this may be attributed to the Deop family, we are unsure of the letters on the barrel or the symbol underneath. In the below description we have had best guess, sadly at this stage that is all it is. Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated. Date: Circa 1780? Dimensions: Overall length 10 ¾” 27.4 cm, Barrel length from breach 6” 15 cm Marks, etc: H Deop on lock and gold-filled mark "GAB BON ELY" with a crown on Barrel Description: A Spanish miquelet-lock pistol, H Deop, circa 1780. Two-stage barrel, octagonal then round after a chiselled acanthus frieze and with a cannon muzzle. Smooth 15 bore in 16 mm calibre. Over the breech silver-inlaid ornaments and a gold-filled mark "GAB BON ELY" with a crown . Engraved lock with what appears to be J H Deop, the side plate with a screw-fastened belt hook. Walnut stock with engraved iron furniture. Wooden ramrod with iron tip, total Length 10 ¾” 27.4 cm. References: LAVIN James D A History of Spanish Firearms Pp 219-220 Cheers Cathey and Rex Attached Images

10th April 2016, 12:23 PM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	I have in my collection a small miquelet pistol which is also made by CABONELL/Barcelona as says the mark on ist barrel. What I have never seen: It has a mark "PEDONEATO"(?)under a crown in recess at the front of the battery. Does anyone know which maker this was? Many thanks corrado26 Attached Images

10th April 2016, 10:32 AM	#2
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	Hello, I think that is the mark of Pedro CARBONELL (ca 1790) and the other one the town mark of Barcelona. Andreas

10th April 2016, 12:17 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good shot, Andreas, Gunsmith Per (Pedro) Carbonell is listed in quoted Lavins work, page 258 and lock maker Joseph Deop right in next page.

10th April 2016, 05:17 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Two things to consider, Corrado, if i may . Firstly, the name attributed is well placed with a ? question mark; some of those letters may be different, like the E being actually a Z and so; although there is no doubt about the P, but any of the few names started by this letter in Lavin's or Gyngell list, can not be the one in your battery. Secondly, remote but possible, batteries do wear out and may eventually be replaced with a spare one at hand, not necessarily from the smith who made the original lock. Let's see if Fernando K comes around; he has far larger possibilities to discern what that name is about.

11th April 2016, 05:41 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Can't you take a more acurate picture of the battery ?