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Overall length 22"
Blade Length 17.5" Horn handle with ivory or tricadna shell cap. Looks more like tricadna I am very curious about this piece and would welcome comments. |
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Absolutely stunning. Simply elegant. Can't offer any other insights. Bill, you've got the best toys!
![]() Steve Edit, Oh one thing. The baca baca looks like a replacement made from sheet brass. |
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I dare say that looks like a pamored piece ya got there Bill. It would be interesting to see what some warangan would do for it.
![]() It also has rather well formed "sogakan" and a very Indonesian "sekar kacang". Given all these factors i am inclined to suggest that this is not a Moro kris, but an Indo one, or at least made by an Indo smith who may have relocated. We might have to move this one to the keris forum. ![]() |
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Oh, did i say, that's sweet!?
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I am quite curious about it. Indo / Moro?
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BEAUTIFUL KRIS!!
![]() ![]() ![]() CONGRATULATIONS FOR THIS PIECE CARLOS |
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Very interesting kris, I don't recall seeing a straight blade "18thC" before. The blade tip seems to be in-between a stabbing & slashing sword. From what I can recall all the "18thC", I have seen, have a more defined point. Nice example of crossover from keris to kris. As far as "Indo smith who may have relocated", I think this kris preceeds the Philippine kris & a "relocated" smith wouldn't just start making a "kris" just because he is on, what is now, Philippine soil. Simular pattern to a wavy kris RSword & myself have posted before.
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I think this center kris of mine is late 18th or early 19th century it exhibits a narrow blade and a cruder ganja but it seems more Moro than Bill's.
Lew |
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Hello Bill,
I'm pretty sure this is an ethnic Malay example - Riau, Straits or even eastern Sumatra. I wouldn't rule out Borneo/Brunei but most examples collected from Borneo seem to have originated from Sulu (or being crafted in the same style) with some trade blades from Mindanao thrown in the mix. Also, I don't recall any pamor blade from Borneo nor Moro provenance, especially not this pamor (even welded in low contrast). The gangya configuration is keris-like and doesn't fit into Cato's categories. So, all bets are off on this piece... However, the carving of the blade is really nicely done and I'd guess it has some real age. I'm less convinced of the fittings, especially the clamp might be a quite recent replacement. BTW, it's easy to tell ivory from giant clam shell with the help of a reasonable magnifying glass - the latter is quite porous and shows different growth rings. Regards, Kai |
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BTW, could you please post a close-up of your piece, Lew? I agree that this also seems to be Moro. Quote:
Regards, Kai |
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Good catch Bill!
Cost a pretty penny, though! ![]() |
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