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Is this Item from Borneo or from Sumatra
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This is a toughie. The braided hilt wire seems to say Borneo, but the blade says Sumatra.
Very interesting piece. |
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Ben,
Could you please also show us a close up of the blade? At first glance the hilt and blade looks very Aceh-region, but sometimes it's also found in Jambi as well as in South Borneo. In Borneo usually the bud is at a 90 degrees angle instead. Also the lower part of the handle usually is round in Aceh, not octagonal, as well as in Aceh it often has more carvings. The blade, from a distance, doesn't look like the ones found in Borneo among the Malays at the coast. But neither does it look like the regular blade combo with this kind of hilt in Aceh (Peudeung). But the braiding, as Charles noticed, looks very Borneo. Another alternative is Jambi. I noticed that this kind of hilt sometimes is found there, less carved and combined with other kind of blades than in Aceh (the Peudeung shape). But I only have a few reference pictures of this. Tricky piece. Michael Last edited by VVV; 3rd November 2006 at 02:58 PM. Reason: added info |
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Ben:
I like very much the clean looks and lines of this sword. I will be interested in hearing where it comes from because I used to have another similar sword several years ago (no pictures unfortunately) that also had a braided wire handle. Never quite sure where it came from either -- thought it was Sumatran but could have been from S. Borneo. Cheers, Ian. |
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Hi if we look in the data base off the museums off the Netherlands
this piece is from Borneo There is also a picture in Quer Durch Borneo that has a sword with an handle like this The brass wire we see only in Borneo on the Hilt never in Sumatra blade form we see on other Islands off Indonesia It is always difficult to say if 2 Islands close together Michael wich part off the blade you wanna close up |
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Here is a similar wire braid (without the twist) on a kris .
Sulu ? Maguindanao? |
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this type of blade is quite common in Banjar (South Borneo) I've also seen a mandau with this type of blade and I have a sword from Banjar with this type of blade. pics will come later. |
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Hi Arjan thanks I am waiting for the pics
Did you see something like it in the Leiden Museum ??? Ben |
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On some of these examples and others I have noticed that the dots and inlays are brass on the blades. Is this a later 19th-20thc motif or also earlier?
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Hi no it depends on the area where the sword is coming from
Ben |
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