SAJEN kerises

ganjawulung · 21st May 2009, 03:27 AM

Dear All,

First of all, I apologize for disturbing you to deal with this "name game" again. These are some of my humble collection of what GB Gardner (1933) said as "keris majapahit". Although, the local name was probably "keris sajen" (keris for offering) or even colloquially named as "keris kepala besi" (or 'iron headed kerises' in Bahasa Indonesia).

My old question is, why did Gardner name such kerises as "keris majapahit"? Is there any relation with "keris from majapahit Kingdom"? Or maybe, "kerises usually used by people in Majapahit"?

I am waiting for your enlightment...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 21st May 2009, 03:31 AM

These are some more close ups...

Thx
GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 21st May 2009, 03:33 AM

Some more close ups...

David · 21st May 2009, 04:30 AM

I believe Gardner thought this type of keris originated during the Mojopahit period. Perhaps it did, though i suppose the form could be older. It certainly is a form that existed back then. Of course the name gives the impression that this was the standard keris from that time and i think we will all agree that keris sajen is a more accurate name.
Nice collection BTW.

ganjawulung · 21st May 2009, 05:53 AM

Thanks, David. And these are more pictures of the sajen kerises -- some of them are "pichit" (name in Malay version), with their warangkas....

GANJAWULUNG

A. G. Maisey · 21st May 2009, 07:00 AM

I don't know the answer to this one Pak Ganja. I have a gut feeling that the name might be tied into the finding of the keris under a stupa at Borobudur.

I never heard this name used in Jawa in the late 1960's and the 1970"s.

Here's a link to some of my "iron ancestors" (intended reference to the upcoming publication.)

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/kerissajen.html

21st May 2009, 03:27 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	SAJEN kerises Dear All, First of all, I apologize for disturbing you to deal with this "name game" again. These are some of my humble collection of what GB Gardner (1933) said as "keris majapahit". Although, the local name was probably "keris sajen" (keris for offering) or even colloquially named as "keris kepala besi" (or 'iron headed kerises' in Bahasa Indonesia). My old question is, why did Gardner name such kerises as "keris majapahit"? Is there any relation with "keris from majapahit Kingdom"? Or maybe, "kerises usually used by people in Majapahit"? I am waiting for your enlightment... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 21st May 2009 at 04:09 AM.

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ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	MORE close up These are some more close ups... Thx GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

21st May 2009, 03:33 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	MORE close ups Some more close ups... Attached Images

21st May 2009, 05:53 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	With Its Warangka Thanks, David. And these are more pictures of the sajen kerises -- some of them are "pichit" (name in Malay version), with their warangkas.... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

21st May 2009, 04:30 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	I believe Gardner thought this type of keris originated during the Mojopahit period. Perhaps it did, though i suppose the form could be older. It certainly is a form that existed back then. Of course the name gives the impression that this was the standard keris from that time and i think we will all agree that keris sajen is a more accurate name. Nice collection BTW.

21st May 2009, 07:00 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	I don't know the answer to this one Pak Ganja. I have a gut feeling that the name might be tied into the finding of the keris under a stupa at Borobudur. I never heard this name used in Jawa in the late 1960's and the 1970"s. Here's a link to some of my "iron ancestors" (intended reference to the upcoming publication.) http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/kerissajen.html