Whoa ! Moro

Rick · 29th April 2006, 11:18 PM

Someone paid a handsome sum for these two basket cases !
Don't forget to add a 22.5% Buyers premium !

http://tinyurl.com/e9zmj

ariel · 30th April 2006, 12:01 AM

Rick,
Why do you call them "basket cases"?
What are the problems with them?
As you see, I still need handholding in the Moroland

Rick · 30th April 2006, 12:29 AM

The ivory junggayan pommel is broken ; the other sword is missing its pommel . The blade with the ivory pommel looks okay but the other one IMO only looks so-so .

So this bidder paid well over $1,300.00 for two damaged krisses with no scabbards plus 5% sales tax . The only special thing about this pair , the ivory junggayan pommel , is broken and would be a tough and expensive repair .
I don't think these two would fetch this price (including buyers premium

) on ebay .

Ian · 30th April 2006, 01:04 AM

Agree completely Rick. Without the broken piece of ivory (nowhere in sight) it would be a tough task to recreate the junggayan hilt. What's left of it looks good, but a big chunk is missing. That would be an expensive repair. The second one is a very ordinary Mindanao kris from c. 1900 that needs a complete redo of the hilt wrap. Not a hard repair, but also not a very valuable sword.

At that price I can only assume that the buyer thought he could repair the ivory hilt relatively easily -- good luck with that!

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The ivory junggayan pommel is broken ; the other sword is missing its pommel . The blade with the ivory pommel looks okay but the other one IMO only looks so-so .

So this bidder paid well over $1,300.00 for two damaged krisses with no scabbards plus 5% sales tax . The only special thing about this pair , the ivory junggayan pommel , is broken and would be a tough and expensive repair .
I don't think these two would fetch this price (including buyers premium

) on ebay .

Rick · 30th April 2006, 02:44 AM

Yep !
Whoever that was hosed himself to the tune of almost $1,400.00 .
I noticed all the sane people dropped out at about $600.00 ; even then too much .

This auction house 'Buyer's Premium' stuff is getting way out of hand lately ; I'm surprised ebay hasn't had an effect on decreasing it .

BluErf · 30th April 2006, 03:30 AM

The ivory pommel kris has an impressive and nice sor-soran, with well-defined greneng which looks like to be of a more uncommon form. The pommel itself shows a good level of sophistication judging from what's left of it, and the shallow grooves and lines on it. I noticed that the baca-baca looks old and very sturdy. Perhaps the seller knows of someone who can restore the lost crown on the kakatua pommel, and perhaps make a sheath for it. Maybe that explains why he would pay so much for it.

On another related subject - there has been a trend of person or persons who throw in irrationally high bids on kerises on ebay, and in some cases, not paying for the winning bids at all. This is not good. Hopefully the person or persons behind these irrational bidding would stop because it does not benefit anyone, including themselves.

Tim Simmons · 4th June 2006, 09:37 PM

Well I am baffled, they are far from rare, have no scabbards, okay one has a nice ivory pommel nothing rare about that and the other one is damaged, or am I blind to something.

Battara · 6th June 2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Well I am baffled, they are far from rare, have no scabbards, okay one has a nice ivory pommel nothing rare about that and the other one is damaged, or am I blind to something.

Well, Tim, actually, the ivory one is more rare than you think, especially if it has a full pommel with nothing missing. As for the other, yeah, I agree, not big deal.

Pangeran Datu · 9th June 2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well, Tim, actually, the ivory one is more rare than you think, especially if it has a full pommel with nothing missing. As for the other, yeah, I agree, not big deal.

I have seen three for sale in the past month, one with only minor chips. Perhaps it is the coincidence of the cosmic forces.

BTW... what I HAVEN'T seen for sale is a kris with a WOODEN, not-so-stylised, kakatua pommel still showing its head, crest and tail plumage. Perhaps someone reading this will oblige me and put one up for sale.

Regards.

Rick · 9th June 2006, 01:54 AM

Something like this perhaps ?

Twisted core with applied laminated edge ?
Not quite yet ........

Spunjer · 9th June 2006, 01:39 PM

pangeran datu,

three junggayans? technically yes, there were three. but if you're referring to the big elaborate ones, actually there were only two; the one on live ebay, and the recent one. the one that naga basuki won (if that's what you're referring to) is actually a different type of kakatua pommel; yes, it's junggayan but it's smaller variation, which is relatively more common, while the one that's on the beginning of this thread and the latest one are much larger, i would estimate them to be around 6 inches long (around 8 inches unbroken) and prolly at the widest, about three inches. the other time i saw a similar kakaktua was the one that punal posted a year ago, but it was made out of carabao horn. back to what bill just won, i would say the pommel is more similar to this:

edited for spelling...

29th April 2006, 11:18 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Whoa ! Moro Someone paid a handsome sum for these two basket cases ! Don't forget to add a 22.5% Buyers premium ! http://tinyurl.com/e9zmj

9th June 2006, 01:54 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Something like this perhaps ? Twisted core with applied laminated edge ? Not quite yet ........ Attached Images

9th June 2006, 01:39 PM	#11
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	pangeran datu, three junggayans? technically yes, there were three. but if you're referring to the big elaborate ones, actually there were only two; the one on live ebay, and the recent one. the one that naga basuki won (if that's what you're referring to) is actually a different type of kakatua pommel; yes, it's junggayan but it's smaller variation, which is relatively more common, while the one that's on the beginning of this thread and the latest one are much larger, i would estimate them to be around 6 inches long (around 8 inches unbroken) and prolly at the widest, about three inches. the other time i saw a similar kakaktua was the one that punal posted a year ago, but it was made out of carabao horn. back to what bill just won, i would say the pommel is more similar to this: edited for spelling... Attached Images Last edited by Spunjer; 9th June 2006 at 04:14 PM.

30th April 2006, 12:01 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Rick, Why do you call them "basket cases"? What are the problems with them? As you see, I still need handholding in the Moroland

30th April 2006, 12:29 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	The ivory junggayan pommel is broken ; the other sword is missing its pommel . The blade with the ivory pommel looks okay but the other one IMO only looks so-so . So this bidder paid well over $1,300.00 for two damaged krisses with no scabbards plus 5% sales tax . The only special thing about this pair , the ivory junggayan pommel , is broken and would be a tough and expensive repair . I don't think these two would fetch this price (including buyers premium ) on ebay .

30th April 2006, 02:44 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Yep ! Whoever that was hosed himself to the tune of almost $1,400.00 . I noticed all the sane people dropped out at about $600.00 ; even then too much . This auction house 'Buyer's Premium' stuff is getting way out of hand lately ; I'm surprised ebay hasn't had an effect on decreasing it .

30th April 2006, 03:30 AM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The ivory pommel kris has an impressive and nice sor-soran, with well-defined greneng which looks like to be of a more uncommon form. The pommel itself shows a good level of sophistication judging from what's left of it, and the shallow grooves and lines on it. I noticed that the baca-baca looks old and very sturdy. Perhaps the seller knows of someone who can restore the lost crown on the kakatua pommel, and perhaps make a sheath for it. Maybe that explains why he would pay so much for it. On another related subject - there has been a trend of person or persons who throw in irrationally high bids on kerises on ebay, and in some cases, not paying for the winning bids at all. This is not good. Hopefully the person or persons behind these irrational bidding would stop because it does not benefit anyone, including themselves.

4th June 2006, 09:37 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Well I am baffled, they are far from rare, have no scabbards, okay one has a nice ivory pommel nothing rare about that and the other one is damaged, or am I blind to something.