Small Sumatra keris

Sajen · 14th February 2010, 10:34 PM

Hello all,

recently I have bought a small Sumatra (?) keris. My first question to you: is it from Sumatra or from Peninsula?

Here the pictures from the seller.

Sajen · 14th February 2010, 10:58 PM

After I have received it I have had some taskwork surprises. The second white ring at the gandar have been from some sort of tape and the other one show by the hot needle test that it is from plastic. Then I have removed the silver cap from the buntut, see the pictures. The black ring and the original buntut are from real horn. The complete sheat have had a cover with clear varnish, I have removed it with steel-wool, the wood is very nice. I plan to replace the white rings with white water buffalo horn.
But I don't have a clear hunch how the buntut original have looked, here I want to ask you for help. Is it possible that the buntut also have had a white ring?

Thank you very much in advance,

Detlef

Gustav · 15th February 2010, 08:25 AM

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

BluErf · 15th February 2010, 08:33 AM

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

Thank you Kai Wee, this make sense, so I will attach here also a ring with white buffalo horn and a rounded end piece from black horn.

Regards,

Detlef

Alam Shah · 15th February 2010, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

Hi Alam,

thank you for comment, yes, the pendokok is from Sumbawa. What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

rasdan · 15th February 2010, 06:25 PM

I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure.

I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme.

Alam Shah · 16th February 2010, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

... What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

The "original" pendokok/mendak/hilt ring that comes with the piece, seems like a replacement.. BluErf's hilt ring seems like a good fitting for your piece..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=54668&stc=1

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

Hello Gustav,

yes I have changed because the "original" seems a little bit to small but I am also not happy with this one, like Alam write it's a Sumbawa one. I hope I found a lotus pendokok.

14th February 2010, 10:34 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Small Sumatra keris Hello all, recently I have bought a small Sumatra (?) keris. My first question to you: is it from Sumatra or from Peninsula? Here the pictures from the seller. Attached Images

14th February 2010, 10:58 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	After I have received it I have had some taskwork surprises. The second white ring at the gandar have been from some sort of tape and the other one show by the hot needle test that it is from plastic. Then I have removed the silver cap from the buntut, see the pictures. The black ring and the original buntut are from real horn. The complete sheat have had a cover with clear varnish, I have removed it with steel-wool, the wood is very nice. I plan to replace the white rings with white water buffalo horn. But I don't have a clear hunch how the buntut original have looked, here I want to ask you for help. Is it possible that the buntut also have had a white ring? Thank you very much in advance, Detlef Attached Images

15th February 2010, 06:25 PM	#8
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure. I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme. Attached Images

15th February 2010, 08:25 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

15th February 2010, 08:33 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.