Badek or Badik from Celebes open for discussion

Paul B. · 6th March 2018, 08:23 AM

Want to show you guys this nice BADEK I purchased recently.
Angled handle is hippo as the dotted lines indicate. The colours differ back and front while being exposed to sun ( so the dark side facing the light?).
The texting LA MELLO is a question mark to me? Done by the previous owner (but still an old marking in ink).
The bottom shows a ring of grey horn ( a ring because the tip end shows the original wood of the sheath). It feel like the sheath is being reduced / cut off a bit ?
The mouth part is only decorated from one side. Read that there are being worn left and / or right around the belly.
Pamor is clear (with a crack line) and said to be Walang Sinunuk, is that correct?

Battara · 7th March 2018, 12:41 AM

The hilt looks it's made of hippo ivory.

I like the armor and the top scabbard carving.

Short? I don't think so.

Ian · 7th March 2018, 02:26 PM

Hi Paul:

I find this a very attractive knife! It appears to have some age, and I would think it is at least first half of the 20th C. The hilt of hippo ivory shows some yellowing with age, and I think the difference in color between the two sides reflects oil from the body of the wearer when the knife was worn thrust through a belt or sash at the waist. Oil on ivory tends to darken and yellow it as it penetrates (along with a little dirt or other contaminants).

The penmanship on the scabbard suggests someone who went to school before 1960 when handwriting was still an art to be practiced with a steel nib dipped in ink. The broader downstrokes and lighter upstrokes (e.g., as seen on the letter "l") reflect someone taught the copperplate style of writing. The loops on some of the other letters are also consistent with the copperplate or similar style of writing that was taught in the British and colonial school systems during the 19th C and first half of the 20th C. The blackness of the ink suggests it was written with "India Ink," a particularly dark and durable ink used for labeling things at that time.

Ian.

Paul B. · 7th March 2018, 07:58 PM

Thanks Ian for your thoughts and view. Agree, Indian Ink is used for the writing. Wonder if it is related to a Roman language (Spanish or alike).
From underneath I can see the wood used for the gandar so the tip end of grey horn is rather a 'ring' which seems unusual?
The wood used is angsana or sena?

Ian · 9th March 2018, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul B.

... Wonder if it is related to a Roman language (Spanish or alike).

English, Dutch, French, Portuguese, ... any of the western European languages.

kai · 7th March 2018, 08:30 PM

Hello Paul,

Quote:

The texting LA MELLO is a question mark to me?

If I'm not mistaken, this loosely translates into "handsome guy"...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 7th March 2018, 08:51 PM

Kai hit me by the translation!

A very nice 19th to very early 20th century Bugis badik, and yes, the handle is from hippo ivory. That the nice carving is only on the front side of the scabbard isn't uncommon and I don't think that the scabbard is shortened.
Very nice badik, when you get ever tired looking at it......

Regards,
Detlef

Ian · 9th March 2018, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

... If I'm not mistaken, this loosely translates into "handsome guy"...

Hi Kai,

I think perhaps this comes from the Spanish verb mellar which means to knick (as in a blade), damage, or notch. From which mello = I knick. ("The handsome guy" would need a masculine article rather than the feminine la.

)

Or it could be a person's name or the name of a place.

Ian.

Gustav · 9th March 2018, 11:50 AM

La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa.

In older times they were often written together:
La Galigo - Lagaligo

It is quite possible this Badik was a heirloom.

Sajen · 9th March 2018, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa.

Hello Gustav,

very interesting!

Do you have a source for this statemen?

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 9th March 2018, 09:28 PM

Hello Gustav,

Quote:

La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa.

Yes, seems to be a fairly common name. Might point to the owner as well as to the badik. However, I don't think it was an established practise to write a name onto a badik scabbard. Maybe done by or for a collector?

Quote:

It is quite possible this Badik was a heirloom.

A genuine badik with status dress will almost certainly be a family heirloom if made for an orang Bugis/Makassar/etc.

Regards,
Kai

La Pagaru · 11th May 2018, 12:36 AM

how are you all,
I finally found one of my favorite taradisional weapons, this badik called badik luwu, has the pamor that we call him is pamor kuriisi, this is one very good bugis badik

Best regrads
LP

La Pagaru · 11th May 2018, 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Gustav]La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa.

In older times they were often written together:
La Galigo - Lagaligo

It is quite possible this Badik was a heirloom.[/QUOTE

Hell
]the writing on it may be written La Bello (the beautiful) or La Melo (who follow the will) I do not know, is it the owner's name or the name of the badik itself, because the bugis people often give the nickname to their weapon, because they say the weapon is brothers brand,

6th March 2018, 08:23 AM	#1
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Badek or Badik from Celebes open for discussion Want to show you guys this nice BADEK I purchased recently. Angled handle is hippo as the dotted lines indicate. The colours differ back and front while being exposed to sun ( so the dark side facing the light?). The texting LA MELLO is a question mark to me? Done by the previous owner (but still an old marking in ink). The bottom shows a ring of grey horn ( a ring because the tip end shows the original wood of the sheath). It feel like the sheath is being reduced / cut off a bit ? The mouth part is only decorated from one side. Read that there are being worn left and / or right around the belly. Pamor is clear (with a crack line) and said to be Walang Sinunuk, is that correct? Attached Images

11th May 2018, 12:36 AM	#12
La Pagaru Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Indonesia Posts: 84	BadiK how are you all, I finally found one of my favorite taradisional weapons, this badik called badik luwu, has the pamor that we call him is pamor kuriisi, this is one very good bugis badik Best regrads LP

7th March 2018, 12:41 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	The hilt looks it's made of hippo ivory. I like the armor and the top scabbard carving. Short? I don't think so.

7th March 2018, 02:26 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,198	Hi Paul: I find this a very attractive knife! It appears to have some age, and I would think it is at least first half of the 20th C. The hilt of hippo ivory shows some yellowing with age, and I think the difference in color between the two sides reflects oil from the body of the wearer when the knife was worn thrust through a belt or sash at the waist. Oil on ivory tends to darken and yellow it as it penetrates (along with a little dirt or other contaminants). The penmanship on the scabbard suggests someone who went to school before 1960 when handwriting was still an art to be practiced with a steel nib dipped in ink. The broader downstrokes and lighter upstrokes (e.g., as seen on the letter "l") reflect someone taught the copperplate style of writing. The loops on some of the other letters are also consistent with the copperplate or similar style of writing that was taught in the British and colonial school systems during the 19th C and first half of the 20th C. The blackness of the ink suggests it was written with "India Ink," a particularly dark and durable ink used for labeling things at that time. Ian.

7th March 2018, 07:58 PM	#4
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Thanks Ian for your thoughts and view. Agree, Indian Ink is used for the writing. Wonder if it is related to a Roman language (Spanish or alike). From underneath I can see the wood used for the gandar so the tip end of grey horn is rather a 'ring' which seems unusual? The wood used is angsana or sena?

7th March 2018, 08:51 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Kai hit me by the translation! A very nice 19th to very early 20th century Bugis badik, and yes, the handle is from hippo ivory. That the nice carving is only on the front side of the scabbard isn't uncommon and I don't think that the scabbard is shortened. Very nice badik, when you get ever tired looking at it...... Regards, Detlef

9th March 2018, 11:50 AM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa. In older times they were often written together: La Galigo - Lagaligo It is quite possible this Badik was a heirloom.

11th May 2018, 12:43 AM	#13
La Pagaru Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Indonesia Posts: 84	[QUOTE=Gustav]La Mello almost certainly is a Buginese name. Such are given also to honored weapons - La Sippo, La Makkawa. In older times they were often written together: La Galigo - Lagaligo It is quite possible this Badik was a heirloom.[/QUOTE Hell ]the writing on it may be written La Bello (the beautiful) or La Melo (who follow the will) I do not know, is it the owner's name or the name of the badik itself, because the bugis people often give the nickname to their weapon, because they say the weapon is brothers brand,