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I have a large Tabar axe, 96 cm long. When i looked on the Internet for information about it I found an exampel that looks very much like mine: http://armsandantiques.com/huge-late...arzin-axe-i206
The only difference i can see is that theirs ha had the cutting edge grinded down around 1 cm. I have no doubt that these are people how know what they are talking about, I would however like a second opinion as to age and origin, is it late 18th century and persian? If someone by chance can read the text on the axe I hope you can share with me what it says. On the side of the axe head there is a small mark (?) that looks like its been put there on purpose, I took a close up of it in case anyone seen that type of mark before, it could also be a repair or random flaw. Thank you for your time. |
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Hello, I have seen these kind of axes with different kind of blade styles and with same haft style and they werw all mentioned to be made for the Paris World Exhibition in the beginning of the 1900. So not made for the actuall use.
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That it would have been made for the Paris exhibition is not impossible. I can see it being made as an export piece to europe and america in the mid to late 19 century, in the same matter that kula khuds and sipars shields where made for export. But Im really not experienced enough to date it accurate, that is why I ask for other opinions. Its not that the age matters, I like the axe anyway, but I like to catalog the items in my collection as correctly as possible Some other reflections: If there are two identical, there are more out there. A piece of the edge has broken of, and had probably done so on the other one to since the edge was grinded down. So its hard iron. If you where to chisel something that detailed that is only for display why choose iron that hard. It could be made of cast iron. What strikes me as odd is that the decoration is asymmetrical in lot of places, its small details but if you look closely on top ad bottom the differences are quite obvious. While researching i found a axe head in "Lexicon of arms and armor from Iran" by Manouchehr page 529. It shows an axe (see picture) that shares design features with this one. The odd pointy egg shape thing, the borders around the edges and the on the back. Its more similar on the reverse side (not in picture). |
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@Estcrh
Thanks for your replay. Your idea about them being made in europe made me look into other regions then Persia. I found a handful of battle axes that are said to be made in India with different heads but similar shaft construction. I found several on Herman historica and one on Ebay. Although the decoration differs I think the style and construction looks very similar. This could indicate that the Tabar axes discussed in the thread is also from this indian region. Last edited by Robert; 3rd June 2016 at 04:44 PM. Reason: Linking to items currently for sale is strictly against forum policy. |
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It is my impression that the idea of a relatively modern and/or souvenir origin of many Indian/ Indo-Persian examples of arms and armor traditionally attributed to 17-18 century is beginning to get firm hold ( at least here).
In the absense of reliable dating and established provenance we may have to give a fresh look at our collections and, certainly, at the items offered for sale, no matter what authorities pronounce their ancient origin. |
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These types of socketed axe may not even be Indo-Persian, let alone Persian. This brings into question the method used to make them, are these actually chisled or was some other method used such as machining? Quote:
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