16th and 17th century gun screws

Matchlock · 3rd December 2008, 09:24 PM

I don't think anybody - besides you, Richard, of course - has ever paid attention to such little things and tried to achieve a comparison and dating scheme like this.

Michael

Jim McDougall · 3rd December 2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

I don't think anybody - besides you, Richard, of course - has ever paid attention to such little things and tried to achieve a comparison and dating scheme like this.

Michael

I confess Michael

I too have noticed such minutiae, which was what prompted my thread earlier on the use of threaded screws in sword hilts.
In weapons forensics, such details can often be key in determining correct period in components in the piece being examined.

I always think of one of my favorite analogies....who but Sherlock Holmes would fathom the importance of burnt tobacco ash in investigation of crime scenes, and compile an entire treatise on it !

All the best,
Jim

Matchlock · 3rd December 2008, 10:56 PM

How could I possibly forget about you, Jim???

I should have kown better, really. Shame on me!

Thanks a million for your brilliant allusion to Sherlock Holmes as well !!!

Keep yourself!

All the best as ever,

Michael

Pukka Bundook · 4th December 2008, 07:46 AM

Some of these look nearly as 'bad' as the ones I make, Michael!!

In the mid 16th century section, Do I see one with a left-hand thread?
What really surprises me, is that right-hand thread became so standard so soon.
It is interesting how different shaped files were used to cut the threads on the wood screws...some fine and others a much coarser thread,
Mine turn out very similar, depending on what file is at hand at the time!

I should print this page of to keep as a reference.

Thank you for taking the time to compile this chronology!

Richard.

Matchlock · 4th December 2008, 01:14 PM

Richard,

I took these photos some 20 years ago. Were they new I would have considered the forum community and given the description in English.

These screws are now back in their guns and I cannot tell whether one of them is left hand threaded. Sorry about that.

Michael

Pukka Bundook · 4th December 2008, 03:55 PM

No bother about left hand thread, Michael, it just surprises me that more are not found that way, as it's just as easy to file them up either way.

Also, don't worry about the text in German, it's quite easy to "get the drift' of what it says!

Cheers,

R.

3rd December 2008, 09:24 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	16th and 17th century gun screws I don't think anybody - besides you, Richard, of course - has ever paid attention to such little things and tried to achieve a comparison and dating scheme like this. Michael Attached Images

3rd December 2008, 10:56 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	How could I possibly forget about you, Jim??? I should have kown better, really. Shame on me! Thanks a million for your brilliant allusion to Sherlock Holmes as well !!! Keep yourself! All the best as ever, Michael

4th December 2008, 07:46 AM	#4
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Some of these look nearly as 'bad' as the ones I make, Michael!! In the mid 16th century section, Do I see one with a left-hand thread? What really surprises me, is that right-hand thread became so standard so soon. It is interesting how different shaped files were used to cut the threads on the wood screws...some fine and others a much coarser thread, Mine turn out very similar, depending on what file is at hand at the time! I should print this page of to keep as a reference. Thank you for taking the time to compile this chronology! Richard.

4th December 2008, 01:14 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Richard, I took these photos some 20 years ago. Were they new I would have considered the forum community and given the description in English. These screws are now back in their guns and I cannot tell whether one of them is left hand threaded. Sorry about that. Michael

4th December 2008, 03:55 PM	#6
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	No bother about left hand thread, Michael, it just surprises me that more are not found that way, as it's just as easy to file them up either way. Also, don't worry about the text in German, it's quite easy to "get the drift' of what it says! Cheers, R.