Very first Dha for comment

~Alaung_Hpaya~ · 2nd April 2007, 12:23 PM

My very first dha . Popular tradition has it that you cannot unsheath a dha without bloodying it . This came without scabbard and is blunt anyway

Comments please .

Full length view

Overlay of fish pattern and writing in Burmese script

Mark · 2nd April 2007, 04:25 PM

I really like this one. I just acquired a similar dha with the brass inlay decoration on the flat of the blade. It is not something you see too often. Another member has a matching dha-lwe and dha-hmyaung with this kind of decoration, but those are the only other ones I have seen.

I don't think that I have ever seen that kind of discontinuous fuller. One of Andrew's dha has a very long upswept time like this one, but that makes only two I have seen.

A very nice and unusual dha.

RhysMichael · 3rd April 2007, 12:27 AM

A very nice dha, I have one that is similar but the fuller goes the entire way. I always thought it burmese maybe with an english influence ( no data on this just the feel of it) but someone here may know better I also have a dha-hmyaung with this type of koftgari. I will try to post pictures soon

~Alaung_Hpaya~ · 3rd April 2007, 12:38 AM

Fish decoration

Ingabettaw Maung Thein

15 kyat ( kyat / chat = layer or also a unit of weight measurement : also used latterly for the currency post independence )

RhysMichael · 3rd April 2007, 12:52 AM

Andrew · 3rd April 2007, 04:37 AM

Very nice! I didn't really appreciate this when I last looked at it.

The "interrupted" fuller is eye-catching, and I find this blade shape quite elegant and graceful. The inlay is beautiful and the text particularly crisp. Can you translate it?

Mark, were you referring to the overall blade shape tapering to the tip? The date-inlaid (brass? gold?) pattern welded example I have is similar.

Andrew · 3rd April 2007, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhysMichael

That is such a nice example, John. Is that the one with the matching knife?

~Alaung_Hpaya~ · 3rd April 2007, 10:44 AM

( Let me know if I'm not allowed to do this )

This is from the gallery at Oriental Arms . The item was sold just last month.

It is again similar with the brass inlay , a rayskin grip and a rather narrow point . Like John's it has a single fuller on each side but the shape is straighter like my example. ( I wonder if the curvature on John's has increased looking at the convexity of the brass inserts in the spine ? )

Does anyone know generally ( in other cultures / other sword types ) whether the markings on the spine are simply just decoration or have a meaning of some kind. A relative of mine ( who is not a dha expert

) remembers from childhood that these notches related to use / kill / number of battles .

The writing on my item reads Inga-Bettaw Maung Thein . Inga-Bettaw sounds like a place name and Maung Thein is a person ( sword smith ? ) .

The numbers read 15 with the kyat symbol ( which looks like an o on both sides ) The symbolism is now used to denote the post colonial currency but I think in previous times could have been exclusively a measure of weight or the number of layers : kyat roughly translates as layer ( the term kyat is still used today as a measure as well as the currency ) .

The sword is very well balanced and has seen considerable use with several notches along the blade and some deeper cuts in the ferrule . The proximal third of the blade has been much sharpened and has lost some of its width as a result .

I questioned the age but was advised that it must be at least 1900 as it shares unusual stylistic similarities with a sword belonging to the Oldman collection.

It seems to be a genuine fighting dha rather than a presentation piece .

( John , Do you have a photo of the matching dha-hmyaung ? )

Another view

2nd April 2007, 12:23 PM	#1
~Alaung_Hpaya~ Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 65	Very first Dha for comment My very first dha . Popular tradition has it that you cannot unsheath a dha without bloodying it . This came without scabbard and is blunt anyway Comments please . Full length view Overlay of fish pattern and writing in Burmese script

3rd April 2007, 10:44 AM	#8
~Alaung_Hpaya~ Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 65	( Let me know if I'm not allowed to do this ) This is from the gallery at Oriental Arms . The item was sold just last month. It is again similar with the brass inlay , a rayskin grip and a rather narrow point . Like John's it has a single fuller on each side but the shape is straighter like my example. ( I wonder if the curvature on John's has increased looking at the convexity of the brass inserts in the spine ? ) Does anyone know generally ( in other cultures / other sword types ) whether the markings on the spine are simply just decoration or have a meaning of some kind. A relative of mine ( who is not a dha expert ) remembers from childhood that these notches related to use / kill / number of battles . The writing on my item reads Inga-Bettaw Maung Thein . Inga-Bettaw sounds like a place name and Maung Thein is a person ( sword smith ? ) . The numbers read 15 with the kyat symbol ( which looks like an o on both sides ) The symbolism is now used to denote the post colonial currency but I think in previous times could have been exclusively a measure of weight or the number of layers : kyat roughly translates as layer ( the term kyat is still used today as a measure as well as the currency ) . The sword is very well balanced and has seen considerable use with several notches along the blade and some deeper cuts in the ferrule . The proximal third of the blade has been much sharpened and has lost some of its width as a result . I questioned the age but was advised that it must be at least 1900 as it shares unusual stylistic similarities with a sword belonging to the Oldman collection. It seems to be a genuine fighting dha rather than a presentation piece . ( John , Do you have a photo of the matching dha-hmyaung ? ) Another view Last edited by ~Alaung_Hpaya~; 3rd April 2007 at 04:07 PM.

2nd April 2007, 04:25 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I really like this one. I just acquired a similar dha with the brass inlay decoration on the flat of the blade. It is not something you see too often. Another member has a matching dha-lwe and dha-hmyaung with this kind of decoration, but those are the only other ones I have seen. I don't think that I have ever seen that kind of discontinuous fuller. One of Andrew's dha has a very long upswept time like this one, but that makes only two I have seen. A very nice and unusual dha.

3rd April 2007, 12:27 AM	#3
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	A very nice dha, I have one that is similar but the fuller goes the entire way. I always thought it burmese maybe with an english influence ( no data on this just the feel of it) but someone here may know better I also have a dha-hmyaung with this type of koftgari. I will try to post pictures soon

3rd April 2007, 12:38 AM	#4
~Alaung_Hpaya~ Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 65	Fish decoration Ingabettaw Maung Thein 15 kyat ( kyat / chat = layer or also a unit of weight measurement : also used latterly for the currency post independence )

3rd April 2007, 12:52 AM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520

3rd April 2007, 04:37 AM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Very nice! I didn't really appreciate this when I last looked at it. The "interrupted" fuller is eye-catching, and I find this blade shape quite elegant and graceful. The inlay is beautiful and the text particularly crisp. Can you translate it? Mark, were you referring to the overall blade shape tapering to the tip? The date-inlaid (brass? gold?) pattern welded example I have is similar.