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I recently bought a Kojuk Mrenges keris hilt, made in Madura Island and believed to be very old elephant ivory. I am very curious about his size. As far as I understand, there are basically 2 types of these Kojuk Mrenges keris hilts : one being much slimmer than the other. But the present one is even slimmer than the slim model.
Please have a look on the pictures figuring a "normal slim" model of Kojuk Mrenges and an other "much slimmer". The measures of the 2 pieces are : The "normal slim" one : length 9.5 cm, thickness of the piece without considering the base : 2.1 cm measures of the base : 2.4x2.4 cm The "much slimmer" one : length 8.9 cm, thickness of the piece without considering the base : 1.4 cm measures of the base : 2.0x1.7 cm So, as can be seen, there is a quite important difference on the thickness of the 2 pieces, 2.1 cm against 1.4 cm. Would it be possible that this keris hilt was made for a woman or for a child ? Otherwise, would it have an other explanation ? Thanks in advance in helping me to learn from the experts ... Best Wishes from Rio |
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My immediate thought was that the carver was working with the amount of material that was available to them at the time. I am not sure that a hilt would necessarily need to be even slimmer than the already slim version you show to accommodate a small hand.
Here is my own "slim" version of this style of hilt. |
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Hello Patrick,
I have handled a lot of this slim Kojuk Mrenges hilts over the years but can't tell you the exact purpose of this slim hilts and I never have handled a keris with such a hilt where I have been sure that the ensemble is original and already long together. Will post my example when the light it allows to take pictures. Regards, Detlef |
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I'm not sure if it means anything, but my example is indeed on a patrem blade.
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Thank you David and Detlef for your precious information.
As it seems, and I think it is absolutely correct, that the usual slim Kojuk Mrenges hilt will fit perfectly for small hands. So, could this smaller model have been made for a very young child, not old enough to use it but as part of a ceremonial or festivities dress ? |
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like promised, here my slim example side by side with a "normal" sized example. Regards, Detlef |
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Nice pieces indeed. Thanks again for your help. Best from Rio, Patrick |
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You're welcome!
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