My new toys: Ottoman flintlock kubur

Valjhun · 15th October 2006, 02:34 PM

Dear Friends,

Just came back from a militaria show with these two puppies.

The bigger is a huge ottoman-greek flitlock pistol with beautiful silver decorations.

The smaller is a more common ottoman-balkan work, but with a nice miquelet lock.

Any comments?

Valjhun · 15th October 2006, 02:37 PM

second session...

I'm asking myself right now, why oriental firearms on this forum are not popular? Does everybody collects only blades or there is somwhere on the net some another ethnographic firearms forum? Or why?

Well folks, I think that it is a pitty to ignore firearms.

The Double D · 15th October 2006, 06:08 PM

There are plenty of websites for guns. Ethnographic guns could be construed to mean guns used by the British empire during the Victorian era. Certainly in line with a study of swordsof the Moro's in late 19th and early 20th Century which is done here. But would Victorian Guns or European swords of the 19th and 20th Century for that matter be in keeping with the spirit of this forum?

This board seems more focused on the artsy decorative ethnographic arms than the standard run of the mill working arms. Although the standard arms aren't turned away and the those beautifly decorated weapons have ceratinly been put use. Your two pistols fit right in here.

There use to be a Balkan Arms forum, but I haven't seen in a couple of years. I thought it was www.vicmart.com but looks like I am wrong.

By the way a nice set of pistols and they would be a most welcomed "decoration" in my house.

Nagawarrior · 15th October 2006, 07:04 PM

Very Nice pistols Valjhun. I like to collect firearms right along with swords. Firearms are an important part of ethnographic weaponry. Here is a picture of my sword display incorporating firearms.

Valjhun · 17th October 2006, 09:28 PM

Beautiful Nagawarrior! Nice kubur, rattail, rare tanchyka and a superb affedali!

I really like your display.

DD, Victorian pieces cannot keep with the spirit of this forum, but eastern 19th and 18th century can. Look, ottoman guns are purely ethnographic arms, victorian pieces are serial production. A jezail with brittish lock is not lesser to a shamshir with an standard europeanrun of the mill blade, isn't it?

I jus wanted to bring up also the other part of ethnographic arms collecting, wich is somehow rather ignored by this forum.

katana · 17th October 2006, 09:53 PM

Your points are well taken...I do have a minor interest in early firearms....the Moghul damascus muskets are beautifully constructed.
But, lets face it, the introduction of 'black powder' saw the gradual decline of the edged weapon and the traditional role of ethnic 'warriors'. An evolutionary change which also changed the 'ethics' of conflict and to a degee.... the mutual honour observed by the combattants.
One of the advantages of firearms ...besides their range....was the fact that ANYONE could quickly learn to use them......a warrior may take years to acquire his fighting skills, the Samurai and many others found this out to their cost.

The Double D · 19th October 2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

DD, Victorian pieces cannot keep with the spirit of this forum, but eastern 19th and 18th century can. Look, ottoman guns are purely ethnographic arms, victorian pieces are serial production.

I agree with you 100%

15th October 2006, 02:34 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	My new toys: Ottoman flintlock kubur Dear Friends, Just came back from a militaria show with these two puppies. The bigger is a huge ottoman-greek flitlock pistol with beautiful silver decorations. The smaller is a more common ottoman-balkan work, but with a nice miquelet lock. Any comments? Attached Images Last edited by Valjhun; 15th October 2006 at 04:01 PM.

15th October 2006, 02:37 PM	#2
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	second session... I'm asking myself right now, why oriental firearms on this forum are not popular? Does everybody collects only blades or there is somwhere on the net some another ethnographic firearms forum? Or why? Well folks, I think that it is a pitty to ignore firearms. Attached Images Last edited by Valjhun; 15th October 2006 at 02:47 PM.

17th October 2006, 09:53 PM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Your points are well taken...I do have a minor interest in early firearms....the Moghul damascus muskets are beautifully constructed. But, lets face it, the introduction of 'black powder' saw the gradual decline of the edged weapon and the traditional role of ethnic 'warriors'. An evolutionary change which also changed the 'ethics' of conflict and to a degee.... the mutual honour observed by the combattants. One of the advantages of firearms ...besides their range....was the fact that ANYONE could quickly learn to use them......a warrior may take years to acquire his fighting skills, the Samurai and many others found this out to their cost. Last edited by katana; 17th October 2006 at 11:31 PM.

15th October 2006, 06:08 PM	#3
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	There are plenty of websites for guns. Ethnographic guns could be construed to mean guns used by the British empire during the Victorian era. Certainly in line with a study of swordsof the Moro's in late 19th and early 20th Century which is done here. But would Victorian Guns or European swords of the 19th and 20th Century for that matter be in keeping with the spirit of this forum? This board seems more focused on the artsy decorative ethnographic arms than the standard run of the mill working arms. Although the standard arms aren't turned away and the those beautifly decorated weapons have ceratinly been put use. Your two pistols fit right in here. There use to be a Balkan Arms forum, but I haven't seen in a couple of years. I thought it was www.vicmart.com but looks like I am wrong. By the way a nice set of pistols and they would be a most welcomed "decoration" in my house.

15th October 2006, 07:04 PM	#4
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Very Nice pistols Valjhun. I like to collect firearms right along with swords. Firearms are an important part of ethnographic weaponry. Here is a picture of my sword display incorporating firearms.

17th October 2006, 09:28 PM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Beautiful Nagawarrior! Nice kubur, rattail, rare tanchyka and a superb affedali! I really like your display. DD, Victorian pieces cannot keep with the spirit of this forum, but eastern 19th and 18th century can. Look, ottoman guns are purely ethnographic arms, victorian pieces are serial production. A jezail with brittish lock is not lesser to a shamshir with an standard europeanrun of the mill blade, isn't it? I jus wanted to bring up also the other part of ethnographic arms collecting, wich is somehow rather ignored by this forum.