Shamshir, (number 2) translation and comments please

katana · 1st July 2011, 06:22 PM

Hi
Shamshir (number 2) , nice forged blade. bi fullered with, I believe, a Rhino horn hilt (hot pin test gave 'burning hair' smell).

I would appreciate it if the gold script could be translated. Does the bi-fullered blade indicate possible origins ?

All comments and help gratefully received, thank you

Kind Regards David

katana · 3rd July 2011, 02:34 PM

I thought that by posting three similar swords ...one may be forgotten. Unfortunately, this one has been missed. Strangely this is my favorite, a nice heavy and functional sword.

Are twin fullers unusual on a Shamshir ? The Rhino hilt (I'm fairly certain but not 100%) would indicate a more high end sword ?

Dom and Alnakkas,
sorry to rely on you again for a translation (I realise I've been 'pushing my luck' recently

) but if you could look at this sword I would appreciate it, thank you

I would be grateful for any help on this one..

Kind Regards David

A.alnakkas · 3rd July 2011, 02:52 PM

David, I have no pc at the moment. Trying to read inscription through Iphone is not easy. I bet Dom will translate it very soon!

katana · 3rd July 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

David, I have no pc at the moment. Trying to read inscription through Iphone is not easy. I bet Dom will translate it very soon!

Hi Alnakkas,
thankyou for the reply .....my curiosity is making me impatient

....not a good thing but, I believe understandable

All the best
David

katana · 6th July 2011, 01:37 PM

I have a part of the script translated as " Mohammed is the messenger of god".....the rest of the script, I am reliably informed, is Persian...

do we have anyone whom can translate this script please.

Are the twin fullers an indication of origin or age ?

All help and comments gratefully received, thankyou

Regards David

A.alnakkas · 6th July 2011, 03:15 PM

Hello David,

I dont think any of the cartouches say "Mohammed is the prophet of God" the circular top cartouche is a makers name "amal Mohammed ****** ****" I cant read the last 2 words because Iphone zoom is not good enough. I havr much to reply to, including a discussion between me and Dom's wife (say hi to her, Dom, will get a reply soon enough. Also tell her "elkalam el akheer leek ya khalti") but I agree the bottom cartouches are persian but I think they are poems.

Am really thinking of studying turkish and persian now :-)

1st July 2011, 06:22 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Shamshir, (number 2) translation and comments please Hi Shamshir (number 2) , nice forged blade. bi fullered with, I believe, a Rhino horn hilt (hot pin test gave 'burning hair' smell). I would appreciate it if the gold script could be translated. Does the bi-fullered blade indicate possible origins ? All comments and help gratefully received, thank you Kind Regards David Attached Images

3rd July 2011, 02:34 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	I thought that by posting three similar swords ...one may be forgotten. Unfortunately, this one has been missed. Strangely this is my favorite, a nice heavy and functional sword. Are twin fullers unusual on a Shamshir ? The Rhino hilt (I'm fairly certain but not 100%) would indicate a more high end sword ? Dom and Alnakkas, sorry to rely on you again for a translation (I realise I've been 'pushing my luck' recently ) but if you could look at this sword I would appreciate it, thank you I would be grateful for any help on this one.. Kind Regards David

3rd July 2011, 02:52 PM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	David, I have no pc at the moment. Trying to read inscription through Iphone is not easy. I bet Dom will translate it very soon!

6th July 2011, 01:37 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	I have a part of the script translated as " Mohammed is the messenger of god".....the rest of the script, I am reliably informed, is Persian... do we have anyone whom can translate this script please. Are the twin fullers an indication of origin or age ? All help and comments gratefully received, thankyou Regards David

6th July 2011, 03:15 PM	#6
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hello David, I dont think any of the cartouches say "Mohammed is the prophet of God" the circular top cartouche is a makers name "amal Mohammed **** **" I cant read the last 2 words because Iphone zoom is not good enough. I havr much to reply to, including a discussion between me and Dom's wife (say hi to her, Dom, will get a reply soon enough. Also tell her "elkalam el akheer leek ya khalti") but I agree the bottom cartouches are persian but I think they are poems. Am really thinking of studying turkish and persian now :-)