warangka for identification

Paul B. · 10th November 2018, 07:21 AM

What about this warangka type.
From the one hand it looks like a Madura daunan model ( with broken wing) but it was labelled as 'possibly Malaysia'.

Jean · 10th November 2018, 09:48 AM

Hello Paul,
Please show us the whole scabbard as the gandar is important for identifying the provenance.
Regards

David · 10th November 2018, 07:34 PM

Hi Paul. Are you the new owner of this keris. We have been discussing it on a keris Facebook page where it was suggested that it is a Sumatran keris with (perhaps) a West Coast Jawa influence. No one has suggested a possible Malaysian connection there and from what i have seen of the blade, that seems most likely to be Sumatran.

A. G. Maisey · 11th November 2018, 02:06 AM

I am not going to guess what this might be, because it is a little bit unusual, and I'd really need it in my hand to support any guess.

However, to me, it looks very much like the ladrang type that starts in Tegal and runs all along the north coast into East Jawa.

Actually, when I saw the first example of this type it was introduced to me by a very well known collector who lived in Malang and who considered it to be an East Javanese ladrangan, I only found out much later that it could be found all the way through to Tegal.

If we strip it of the ornamental enhancements, what does the form look like?

If we consider the enhancement at the ri pandan, where do we often find that, or a similar, enhancement?

David · 11th November 2018, 02:52 AM

Just to add some more information into the mix here are some more complete photos of the ensemble.

A. G. Maisey · 11th November 2018, 04:35 AM

OK, here's a guess:- North Coast Jawa, Pekalongan, or thereabouts, probably for a Chinese gentleman --- that's if everything belongs together from day one.

10th November 2018, 07:21 AM	#1
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	warangka for identification What about this warangka type. From the one hand it looks like a Madura daunan model ( with broken wing) but it was labelled as 'possibly Malaysia'. Attached Images

11th November 2018, 02:52 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Just to add some more information into the mix here are some more complete photos of the ensemble. Attached Images

10th November 2018, 09:48 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Paul, Please show us the whole scabbard as the gandar is important for identifying the provenance. Regards

10th November 2018, 07:34 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Hi Paul. Are you the new owner of this keris. We have been discussing it on a keris Facebook page where it was suggested that it is a Sumatran keris with (perhaps) a West Coast Jawa influence. No one has suggested a possible Malaysian connection there and from what i have seen of the blade, that seems most likely to be Sumatran.

11th November 2018, 02:06 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	I am not going to guess what this might be, because it is a little bit unusual, and I'd really need it in my hand to support any guess. However, to me, it looks very much like the ladrang type that starts in Tegal and runs all along the north coast into East Jawa. Actually, when I saw the first example of this type it was introduced to me by a very well known collector who lived in Malang and who considered it to be an East Javanese ladrangan, I only found out much later that it could be found all the way through to Tegal. If we strip it of the ornamental enhancements, what does the form look like? If we consider the enhancement at the ri pandan, where do we often find that, or a similar, enhancement?

11th November 2018, 04:35 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	OK, here's a guess:- North Coast Jawa, Pekalongan, or thereabouts, probably for a Chinese gentleman --- that's if everything belongs together from day one.