New bought Pedang for comment and opinions.

David R · 12th February 2024, 02:47 PM

Back from the weekends antics and came away from a local collectors fair with this one. I am still a little ambivalent about it, but the price was right and I like the blade, not so sure about the mounts. Blade length dead on 19 inches, or 482 mm..... And yes, I think the blade has been over-cleaned as well!

Rafngard · 12th February 2024, 06:57 PM

I'm pretty sure the blade is a cundrik from Lombok.
The mountings are unusual, but definitely fit for Lombok.

Here's my example.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23648

Have fun,
Leif

David R · 12th February 2024, 07:37 PM

I am in agreement with you there, in fact I saw your blade while digging around for info on mine.
I have little doubt that blade and scabbard match, but I would not be at all surprised if the hilt is a later replacement.

kai · 12th February 2024, 10:45 PM

Hello David & Leif,

The typical cundrik has a straight blade (e.g. Leif's example linked above). This variant blade type is slightly curved and often comes with this specific hilt (makara morphing into a rooster); I assume, the origins of both types lies with Bali and those many examples from Lombok seem to be exclusively from those regions colonised by Balinese rulers. Thus, the polished blade just needs a fresh stain to be in line with Bali aesthetics.

I believe that the blade and pommel are old (19th c.) and of good quality while the metal sheet fittings are later replacements (the ferrule third might well be original though - should be real silver); this late and low-level decor (mamas or some other whitish brass alloy) is typically found on pieces collected from Lombok, indeed.

Regards,
Kai

David R · 12th February 2024, 11:20 PM

Thank you for that information, what would you suggest for a stain, I would prefer to avoid toxic chemicals for obvious reasons.
Just to say, I really like and appreciate the expertise on this site.... I would be lost without it, especially when it comes to pieces from this part of the world.

Sajen · 13th February 2024, 04:06 PM

Hello David,

I agree nearly with everything Kai has stated.

It's a pedang most probably from Lombok. The fittings are like Kai stated from mamas but I guess that the handle fittings are all from mamas and from the same age since the engraved flowers are very similar.

The blade isn't overcleaned IMVHO but can need further polish before you try an etch. When you don't want to use a chemical etch try to etch it with instant coffee, with a little luck it will work. It's a very nice blade!

Attached are my own pedang collection from Lombok, only the second one from up is a pedang from Sumatra. The two in down and the third from up have as well fittings from mamas, the others have silver fittings at the handles.

Regards,
Detlef

12th February 2024, 02:47 PM	#1
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	New bought Pedang for comment and opinions. Back from the weekends antics and came away from a local collectors fair with this one. I am still a little ambivalent about it, but the price was right and I like the blade, not so sure about the mounts. Blade length dead on 19 inches, or 482 mm..... And yes, I think the blade has been over-cleaned as well! Attached Images

13th February 2024, 04:06 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello David, I agree nearly with everything Kai has stated. It's a pedang most probably from Lombok. The fittings are like Kai stated from mamas but I guess that the handle fittings are all from mamas and from the same age since the engraved flowers are very similar. The blade isn't overcleaned IMVHO but can need further polish before you try an etch. When you don't want to use a chemical etch try to etch it with instant coffee, with a little luck it will work. It's a very nice blade! Attached are my own pedang collection from Lombok, only the second one from up is a pedang from Sumatra. The two in down and the third from up have as well fittings from mamas, the others have silver fittings at the handles. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

12th February 2024, 06:57 PM	#2
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 340	I'm pretty sure the blade is a cundrik from Lombok. The mountings are unusual, but definitely fit for Lombok. Here's my example. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23648 Have fun, Leif

12th February 2024, 07:37 PM	#3
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I am in agreement with you there, in fact I saw your blade while digging around for info on mine. I have little doubt that blade and scabbard match, but I would not be at all surprised if the hilt is a later replacement.

12th February 2024, 10:45 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello David & Leif, The typical cundrik has a straight blade (e.g. Leif's example linked above). This variant blade type is slightly curved and often comes with this specific hilt (makara morphing into a rooster); I assume, the origins of both types lies with Bali and those many examples from Lombok seem to be exclusively from those regions colonised by Balinese rulers. Thus, the polished blade just needs a fresh stain to be in line with Bali aesthetics. I believe that the blade and pommel are old (19th c.) and of good quality while the metal sheet fittings are later replacements (the ferrule third might well be original though - should be real silver); this late and low-level decor (mamas or some other whitish brass alloy) is typically found on pieces collected from Lombok, indeed. Regards, Kai

12th February 2024, 11:20 PM	#5
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	Thank you for that information, what would you suggest for a stain, I would prefer to avoid toxic chemicals for obvious reasons. Just to say, I really like and appreciate the expertise on this site.... I would be lost without it, especially when it comes to pieces from this part of the world.