Bedouin Sabre

kronckew · 13th August 2017, 01:47 PM

just won an auction for this 'indopersian sabre'.

i suspect it is however a bedouin sabre with a guardless 'ersatz shashka' style hilt. , 30 in. blade, may have some markings i'll post later.

anyway, the sabre: will give better details on arrival.

colin henshaw · 14th August 2017, 12:25 PM

Not really my area, but it looks an honest old piece, with an interesting tribal look to it.

Roland_M · 14th August 2017, 01:36 PM

The blade looks like a 19th ct. Arabian Saif, possibly from Yemen.

Roland

Kubur · 14th August 2017, 03:49 PM

These swords are always listed as bedouin swords from Sinai.
I guess they can be from Palestine too and maybe Hejaz...
You probably noticed that the upper part of the scabbard was restored.
I would like to see the engravings on the upper part of the blade...
Thanks

Kubur

kronckew · 14th August 2017, 05:51 PM

yes, the seam above the wrinkled or wrapped bit is different, like it's had that part recovered. hard to tell detail from the overall pics. will take a few more closeups when it gets here. there is another 'wrinkled' area at the chape too.

would the scabbard have rings for carry on a baldric, or would they be carried under a sash, or would a baldric be tied on?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th August 2017, 07:15 PM

Baldric? I doubt if there is a proper Baldric in the entire Bedouin region. However an old camel head-rope fashioned to sling the sword around the neck, yes. Bedouin being very practical would use any bit of rope or piece of weaving to put together a "Baldric" or if no Baldric was available the weapon would be stuffed under the saddle or somewhere handy ...or under a make shift belt or sash arrangement... not exactly like the ones below but quite similar...and very random. Any old bit of string, leather belt or rope would do.

kronckew · 14th August 2017, 07:39 PM

a rope by any other name would smell as sweet. as the south east asian region uses a bit of old rope as a baldric, who are we to disparage the bedu for doing the same. it may not be fancy, but a hunk of old rope tied on is still a baldric. i have a nice round and tassled leather belt i can tie to it.

(thanks for the illustrations, ibrahim)

there are many forms of baldric:

this is a baldric too; (no, NOT the turnip top)

13th August 2017, 01:47 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Bedouin Sabre just won an auction for this 'indopersian sabre'. i suspect it is however a bedouin sabre with a guardless 'ersatz shashka' style hilt. , 30 in. blade, may have some markings i'll post later. anyway, the sabre: will give better details on arrival. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 13th August 2017 at 06:08 PM.

14th August 2017, 07:15 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Baldric? I doubt if there is a proper Baldric in the entire Bedouin region. However an old camel head-rope fashioned to sling the sword around the neck, yes. Bedouin being very practical would use any bit of rope or piece of weaving to put together a "Baldric" or if no Baldric was available the weapon would be stuffed under the saddle or somewhere handy ...or under a make shift belt or sash arrangement... not exactly like the ones below but quite similar...and very random. Any old bit of string, leather belt or rope would do. Attached Images

14th August 2017, 07:39 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	a rope by any other name would smell as sweet. as the south east asian region uses a bit of old rope as a baldric, who are we to disparage the bedu for doing the same. it may not be fancy, but a hunk of old rope tied on is still a baldric. i have a nice round and tassled leather belt i can tie to it. (thanks for the illustrations, ibrahim) there are many forms of baldric: this is a baldric too; (no, NOT the turnip top) Attached Images

14th August 2017, 12:25 PM	#2
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Not really my area, but it looks an honest old piece, with an interesting tribal look to it.

14th August 2017, 01:36 PM	#3
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	The blade looks like a 19th ct. Arabian Saif, possibly from Yemen. Roland

14th August 2017, 03:49 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	These swords are always listed as bedouin swords from Sinai. I guess they can be from Palestine too and maybe Hejaz... You probably noticed that the upper part of the scabbard was restored. I would like to see the engravings on the upper part of the blade... Thanks Kubur

14th August 2017, 05:51 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	yes, the seam above the wrinkled or wrapped bit is different, like it's had that part recovered. hard to tell detail from the overall pics. will take a few more closeups when it gets here. there is another 'wrinkled' area at the chape too. would the scabbard have rings for carry on a baldric, or would they be carried under a sash, or would a baldric be tied on?