Do you think this is a genuine 1600 AD Knight's sword??

katana · 19th June 2006, 12:56 PM

Recently finished......strange that the appraised value was $20000 and the seller was prepared to sell for less than a tenth of that figure......I hear alarm bells ringing...(in my head)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

What do you think..........

S.Al-Anizi · 19th June 2006, 01:13 PM

I honestly believe that this is a knightly sword, really nice sword too. Would love to see more of those on ebay instead of those damn chinese katanas. As for the selling price, its a shame, if I had the money, which I certainly dont, I would buy it at double the price set by the seller. Really beautiful sword.

Michael Blalock · 19th June 2006, 01:32 PM

This is a very controversial seller, aka EFTIS. He has had a number of miraculous medieval and viking swords for sale, all reported to have been excavated. By the way, here is another remarkable Viking Sword:

Ebay 7422232122

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

katana · 19th June 2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Blalock

This is a very controversial seller, aka EFTIS. He has had a number of miraculous medieval and viking swords for sale, all reported to have been excavated. By the way, here is another remarkable Viking Sword:

Ebay 7422232122

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Vikings on Camels...

I thought camels are know as 'ships of the desert'.......must have mis-heard.....it obviously must be 'longships of the desert'........

S.Al-Anizi · 19th June 2006, 01:43 PM

However, he did have some credible stuff to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

katana · 19th June 2006, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

However, he did have some credible stuff to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

Is it me ? but the inlay on both swords looks very new, and seems to follow the contours of the pitted areas........later additions?
I'm still laughing about the Viking Takouba......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Valjhun · 19th June 2006, 02:07 PM

I will not comment that seller.

However thatone looks verry verry well. Well I guest that it was real, but I think it still overpriced. That is not a 10.000$ crusader era sword, but rather a 17th century piece, slightly bigger than thoose landknechts schwerte. Nice piece, however certainly not a bargain missing its quillons.

Another thing, the crazy appraisals from that seller are taken out from Christie's auction catalogues for the year 2020...

The viking variant of the tokuba is just gorgeus! The essential piece for desert boardings.

look at the price

, the rightfull reserve hasn't been met thou

Tim Simmons · 19th June 2006, 09:55 PM

There is indeed the likelihood that this is a complete fabrication. looking at the tang again, even if it had undergone professional conservation it is as fresh as yesterday. Look at the tang on my tombak, most certainly not 16th century

and has been in fruit acid for a week.

ariel · 19th June 2006, 10:13 PM

I think the blade is genuine ; the pommel is a big question mark; but the tang is new. A true "fusion" sword

katana · 19th June 2006, 10:43 PM

Just a possibillity...

I would assume that the handle would have been leather bound wood...on that assumption ..the handle would have been bonded to the tang using some form of resin. If this is the case, after the wood had rotted away.. it would expose the 'resin covered' tang ...which could have protected it from rusting.
I'm not saying that this is true for the sword which started the thread... but could it be possible for other 'drowned' swords???

katana · 19th June 2006, 10:53 PM

I've only just noticed this on the listing...

'Length of Pommel: 5.5 cm. The Sword is in excellent excavated condition with minimal pitting. The crossbar is missing but the original pommel is present.'

If the pommel is original and still fixed to the tang, the 'crossbar' would be captive between the pommel and blade, so should be present....or am I missing something....

Valjhun · 19th June 2006, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

The Sword is in excellent excavated condition.

What's that supposed to mean? A piece of iron/steel undergroun for 400 years cannot be in excellent condition in any way....

Mark · 20th June 2006, 04:31 AM

I think enough has been said about this sword, and I see the thread drifting in an unproductive direction.

If you have information or insight that might help date the blade, please do share this with the forum, but there is no good purpose to speculation, and even less to mockery.

Thank you.

19th June 2006, 12:56 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Do you think this is a genuine 1600 AD Knight's sword?? Recently finished......strange that the appraised value was $20000 and the seller was prepared to sell for less than a tenth of that figure......I hear alarm bells ringing...(in my head) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 What do you think..........

19th June 2006, 09:55 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	There is indeed the likelihood that this is a complete fabrication. looking at the tang again, even if it had undergone professional conservation it is as fresh as yesterday. Look at the tang on my tombak, most certainly not 16th century and has been in fruit acid for a week. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 19th June 2006 at 10:15 PM.

19th June 2006, 01:13 PM	#2
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	I honestly believe that this is a knightly sword, really nice sword too. Would love to see more of those on ebay instead of those damn chinese katanas. As for the selling price, its a shame, if I had the money, which I certainly dont, I would buy it at double the price set by the seller. Really beautiful sword.

19th June 2006, 01:32 PM	#3
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	This is a very controversial seller, aka EFTIS. He has had a number of miraculous medieval and viking swords for sale, all reported to have been excavated. By the way, here is another remarkable Viking Sword: Ebay 7422232122 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

19th June 2006, 01:43 PM	#5
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	However, he did have some credible stuff to sell: http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

19th June 2006, 02:07 PM	#7
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I will not comment that seller. However thatone looks verry verry well. Well I guest that it was real, but I think it still overpriced. That is not a 10.000$ crusader era sword, but rather a 17th century piece, slightly bigger than thoose landknechts schwerte. Nice piece, however certainly not a bargain missing its quillons. Another thing, the crazy appraisals from that seller are taken out from Christie's auction catalogues for the year 2020... The viking variant of the tokuba is just gorgeus! The essential piece for desert boardings. look at the price , the rightfull reserve hasn't been met thou

19th June 2006, 10:13 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I think the blade is genuine ; the pommel is a big question mark; but the tang is new. A true "fusion" sword

19th June 2006, 10:43 PM	#10
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Just a possibillity... I would assume that the handle would have been leather bound wood...on that assumption ..the handle would have been bonded to the tang using some form of resin. If this is the case, after the wood had rotted away.. it would expose the 'resin covered' tang ...which could have protected it from rusting. I'm not saying that this is true for the sword which started the thread... but could it be possible for other 'drowned' swords???

19th June 2006, 10:53 PM	#11
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	I've only just noticed this on the listing... 'Length of Pommel: 5.5 cm. The Sword is in excellent excavated condition with minimal pitting. The crossbar is missing but the original pommel is present.' If the pommel is original and still fixed to the tang, the 'crossbar' would be captive between the pommel and blade, so should be present....or am I missing something....

20th June 2006, 04:31 AM	#13
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I think enough has been said about this sword, and I see the thread drifting in an unproductive direction. If you have information or insight that might help date the blade, please do share this with the forum, but there is no good purpose to speculation, and even less to mockery. Thank you.