Madura? What actually is it?

Gavin Nugent · 8th June 2023, 08:22 AM

This passed a while ago. What is it?

I've seen these blade types before and I see others re-creating these blade types today.

Looks like Java blade is profile, looks like Madura hilt.
Dress unknown to me.

Any ideas?

Gav

Richard Furrer · 8th June 2023, 03:54 PM

I can not answer your question, but may I see the area near the base of the blade? The pamor distortion looks very interesting.

Athanase · 11th June 2023, 09:14 PM

For me the dress is Batak (or maybe Nias), the bronze work is very similar to piso halasan from Karo Batak.

Sajen · 12th June 2023, 06:02 PM

Agree, the scabbard looks very Batak!

Gavin Nugent · 12th June 2023, 10:17 PM

Thank you for your insights.

What can be learnt from the blade and hulu?

It seems many old Java blades settled in Sumatra and Malaysia.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=majapahit

A. G. Maisey · 12th June 2023, 10:40 PM

I think we're looking at Madura Gavin --- blade & hilt that is.

Jawa was a big exporter of weapon blades to all over SE Asia & as far west as Sri Langka & India, but it is probable that a lot of those supposedly Jawa blades actually came from Madura, and apart from that, Madura pandes moved all over SE Asia.

I have a Brunei keris that was supposedly the state execution keris dating from 1842, the pamor if seen in isolation would be identified as Madura, the keris itself is decidedly Brunei & surrounds, but details in the handwork might be taken as Madura.

Similar thing with some Peninsula keris I have seen.

8th June 2023, 08:22 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Madura? What actually is it? This passed a while ago. What is it? I've seen these blade types before and I see others re-creating these blade types today. Looks like Java blade is profile, looks like Madura hilt. Dress unknown to me. Any ideas? Gav Attached Images

8th June 2023, 03:54 PM	#2
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	I can not answer your question, but may I see the area near the base of the blade? The pamor distortion looks very interesting.

11th June 2023, 09:14 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	For me the dress is Batak (or maybe Nias), the bronze work is very similar to piso halasan from Karo Batak.

12th June 2023, 06:02 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,766	Agree, the scabbard looks very Batak!

12th June 2023, 10:17 PM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you for your insights. What can be learnt from the blade and hulu? It seems many old Java blades settled in Sumatra and Malaysia. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=majapahit

12th June 2023, 10:40 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,887	I think we're looking at Madura Gavin --- blade & hilt that is. Jawa was a big exporter of weapon blades to all over SE Asia & as far west as Sri Langka & India, but it is probable that a lot of those supposedly Jawa blades actually came from Madura, and apart from that, Madura pandes moved all over SE Asia. I have a Brunei keris that was supposedly the state execution keris dating from 1842, the pamor if seen in isolation would be identified as Madura, the keris itself is decidedly Brunei & surrounds, but details in the handwork might be taken as Madura. Similar thing with some Peninsula keris I have seen.