A composed Malay keris; is it matching?

[Sajen]

Dear Members,

years ago I bought all this parts separately. Sheath and wilah in Germany at a weapon market, hilt in Indonesia and the pendokok in KL. By the sheath I am nearly sure that it is a Malay sheath, I think that the sampir is from Kettengga. The silver covers shows in my humble opinion typicical malay engraving. At the bottom is an arabic date, 1272 (?), so I think that the sheat is from 1855. The huge Bugis wilah is 35 cm (13,8 inch) long and have 7 luk. The big kerdas hilt is from very well patinated hippo ivory. The recent pendokok from silver was bought in KL.
My question: is it a matching ensemble? And from which area of the Peninsula are the sheath?

All comments are very appreciated,

Detlef

[PenangsangII]

I think even the blade is Peninsula origin. As such, the hilt and pendongkok are not that matching as they are very Bugis to me.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

I think even the blade is Peninsula origin. As such, the hilt and pendongkok are not that matching as they are very Bugis to me.

Thank you very much for comment. I agree that the pendokok looks more Bugis. Respective the hilt I still have a lot of problems to differentiate between Bugis and Peninsula kerdas hilts.
Do you have a clue from where the sheath?

Regards,

Detlef

[Jean]

Helo Detlef,
Sorry, in my opinion the inscription on the buntut reads 1372 in Hijra calendar, not 1272, corresponding to about 1954 from Gregorian calendar. It looks more realistic...
Best regards
Jean

Originally Posted by Sajen

Dear Members,

years ago I bought all this parts separately. Sheath and wilah in Germany at a weapon market, hilt in Indonesia and the pendokok in KL. By the sheath I am nearly sure that it is a Malay sheath, I think that the sampir is from Kettengga. The silver covers shows in my humble opinion typicical malay engraving. At the bottom is an arabic date, 1272 (?), so I think that the sheat is from 1855. The huge Bugis wilah is 35 cm (13,8 inch) long and have 7 luk. The big kerdas hilt is from very well patinated hippo ivory. The recent pendokok from silver was bought in KL.
My question: is it a matching ensemble? And from which area of the Peninsula are the sheath?

All comments are very appreciated,

Detlef

[Jean]

Sorry, after looking again it is actually 1373 Hijra so about 1955 Gregorian.

Originally Posted by Jean

Helo Detlef,
Sorry, in my opinion the inscription on the buntut reads 1372 in Hijra calendar, not 1272, corresponding to about 1954 from Gregorian calendar. It looks more realistic...
Best regards
Jean

[Sajen]

Hello Jean,

thank you for comment. In my humble opinion is a two in arabic writing with one check mark in up while a three is with a double check mark. But I may be wrong by this. Maybe someone is more used than I am in arabic writing can confirm this.

Best regards,

Detlef

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Jean,

thank you for comment. In my humble opinion is a two in arabic writing with one check mark in up while a three is with a double check mark. But I may be wrong by this. Maybe someone is more used than I am in arabic writing can confirm this.

Best regards,

Detlef

Hi Sajen
you are correct, it's 1272 that we should read
that way of writting is formal, and the script is conform

if the writing is "current" we could found the number 3 written as Jean thinks,
but here we are not in this case, it must be formal

if Jean, was logic he could read 1373 and not 1372
any way, on my point of view it's a wrong interpretation ... sorry Jean

Best Regards

à +

Dom

[Jean]

Hi Dom,
I was logical since I corrected to 1373 in my latest thread and I don't mind to be wrong but would like the confirmation from a Maly member just for my reference.
Best regards
Jean

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Sajen
you are correct, it's 1272 that we should read
that way of writting is formal, and the script is conform

if the writing is "current" we could found the number 3 written as Jean thinks,
but here we are not in this case, it must be formal

if Jean, was logic he could read 1373 and not 1372
any way, on my point of view it's a wrong interpretation ... sorry Jean

Best Regards

à +

Dom

[BluErf]

Hi,

The sheath looks N. Peninsula, though the silver works are not so clear. I don't think there is a 'typical' Malay motif?

The hilt and pendoko are Sulawesi in style. blade could be Straits Bugis.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by BluErf

Hi,

The sheath looks N. Peninsula, though the silver works are not so clear. I don't think there is a 'typical' Malay motif?

The hilt and pendoko are Sulawesi in style. blade could be Straits Bugis.

Hi Kai Wee,

thank's for comment. You confirm the the comment from Penangsang about hilt and pendokok, so I have to change both by time when I will find something more adequate.
I don't know if you know the book "The Invincible Krises 2". There is shown at page 49 a Peninsula keris which have a pendok with nearly the same motif. The author write that this shows the peony flower (queen of flower) and that this shall show a chinese influence. I have no proof if this is correct.

Regards,

Detlef

[kai]

Could the sampir be a later replacement? The fit of the pendok at the bae of the crosspiece seems a bit weird to me...

Regards,
Kai

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Jean

Sorry, after looking again it is actually 1373 Hijra so about 1955 Gregorian.

Hello Jean,

Dom translated the the arabic date again and confirmed my translation.

Regards,

Detlef