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I inherited the kirs from my grandfather's father who fought in the phill. war. it had some rust issues. i used a double ot steel wool to remove alot of the rust. i hear vinegar can help as well. i would like some ideas on how to get the rest off if anyone can help. and if anyone can help me with identifying this sword and spear and what people think of them would help. thanks for the feedback!!
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Yes this is a Moro kris. Probably Sulu in origin. What is very nice is that the blade is has a twist core steel center section. Very desirable.
The other piece in the picture is a budiak, a type of Moro spear. Would you show close ups of the blade on that too? |
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Beautiful kris and budiak, mr lyons! If you do apply vinegar, make sure you neutralize it after with baking soda.
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I echo the sentiments of the previous two members: Wonderful Moro pieces you have there.
I have owned/handled older, more dimnutive Sulu twistcore pieces and newer monosteel Sulu pieces. However, in person, I have yet to encounter a Sulu twistcore from this era of manufacture from in between. Very nice piece! I am green with envy, sir! |
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Welcome and congrats! These kris are addictive though...
![]() I also believe this is a Sulu kris (kalis seko) from around the turn of the (19th) century. Really a neat twistcore blade and also the round pommel (bunti wood) is a rare feature! Only the remaining grip wrap may not be original - maybe a makeshift repair. I'd consider to have it wrapped in traditional braided and "lacquered" style. The blade certainly deserves a careful etch: a little diluted vinegar (keep repeatedly working with a plastic brush) will take care of any remining rust and a following etch with hot vinegar may be enough to enhance the pattern; the result will be traditional - maybe kinda subdued though. You may also want to try a ferric chloride etch (neutralizing much more important with this approach) or other approaches to get a more bold pattern (I'd recommend vinegar first which is much safer). Please try the search function with kris and, as the second keyword, vingar or ferric, respectively; that should get you to several threads with detailed info. Please ask if you need any additional info! Just need to be the first on record with this plea: If you ever decide to part with this kris, please be so kind and let me know! ![]() ![]() As mentioned, it's well possible that the budiak also has twistcore - if it doesn't show any visible pattern already, some hot water may bring out the laminations enough to verify their pattern. With a few close-ups we can work from there... Regards, Kai |
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First and for most i want to thank everyone for the information you have all provided. it has helped me learn more about the moro culture. i ask. i have noticed that there are more kriss that have a longer straight tip ( mine is more wavey) is that a common practice for a straight tip? From what i see it looks to be all one siece of steel. the blade and shaft come apart. there is alot of rust i havnt gotten to yet but the vinegar tips have helped with the kris.
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I agree with kai on all ends, except for one important detail.
...If you decide to let go of this piece, you should let ME know first ![]() Seriously thought, both are very gorgeous pieces. Any information about them reagrding dimensions? How long is the blade on that twistcore? |
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His journal is in the kansas history museum. its hard trying to track it down but doing research now on this. hope to hear back soon from the museum
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