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2nd November 2007, 07:35 PM | #1 |
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Early Islamic Signature
Is the signature or inscription readable? Is on an early Islamic blade.
http://earlyislamicsword.blogspot.com/ rand |
4th November 2007, 07:18 PM | #2 |
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Whole sword photo
Whole Sword Photo
Overall length 35 &1/4" Blade length 31" |
5th November 2007, 12:04 AM | #3 |
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Blade curvature photo study
This is a blade curvature photo study of the kilij compared to a very early shamshir blade with a shallow curve. The kilij sword is laid over the top of the shamshir on the bottom photo and the shamshir laid over the top of the kilij on the upper photo. Its shows that the two swords have very similar blade curvatures.
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Kilij compared to classic shamhsir
In this photo the kilij is laid over a classic shaped shamshir from the period of SHah Abbas. You can see how the curvature changes when the blades near their tips. The shamshir underneath has a very long 35" blade that makes the kilj look short, the kilij blade is 31" in length.
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5th November 2007, 12:13 AM | #5 |
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Comparison of the three tip sections
Comparison of the blades front sections side by side
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5th November 2007, 12:16 AM | #6 |
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Gold overlay
Notice how thick the gold is overlayed in the design,
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5th November 2007, 06:30 PM | #8 |
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Hey Rand,
These are very beautiful swords, and what you show for evidence looks very interesting. Jens |
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This has been a fascinating study. Overlaying the swords on each other was an eye opener. One thing to note is that on the raised areas of design the steel is a dark color, in a raised areas such as this you would expect to have scabbard wear polishing the raised steel areas bright. You can see how the wear has even worn away some of the raised steel decoration in places. To me this implys that some has stained the blade in recent years to bring out the pattern in the steel and did not want to risk damaging any of the gold decoration when repolishing avoiding getting close. Will contemplate this over time as it may be something to correct. rand |
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Am working on translating this, are there four a's ( one vertical mark for beginning "a" and the three short marks on bottom for middle a's) and two l's? rand |
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5th November 2007, 09:35 PM | #11 |
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Rand, a very interesting observation, I wonder how many made the same observation - I did not, although I should have.
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7th November 2007, 05:47 AM | #12 |
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Some Early Ottoman Swords and One Other
Some Early Ottoman swords and one other.......
Top sword dates 1481-1512 Overall length 100cm Blade length 85cm Second sword dated 1506-7 Overall length 92cm Blade length 81cm Third sword dated 1506-7 Overall length 95.5cm Blade length 80.5cm Fourth sword Overall length 91cm Blade length 79.5cm Last edited by rand; 7th November 2007 at 06:00 AM. |
7th November 2007, 04:23 PM | #13 |
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A fantastic display Rand. One who may be able to help with a translation, is the former director of Top Kapi Museum in Istanbul, Yuncel - if he is still alive.
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Hey Jens, Have followed up on your suggestion and sent an email attention to him to the Islamic Research group he worked with.... rand |
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